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Bash Riprock
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 Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:11 am Post subject: Bowl game ticket sales and attendance |
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One has to wonder how much longer university presidents are going to support a system that costs universities money, over a playoff system that would surely generate money.
| Quote: | The Holiday Bowl predicted about 60,000 tickets would be sold, but Texas had peddled barely 3,600 of its 11,000 allotment by Tuesday, according to the UT ticket office. The Longhorns donated the rest to the Marine Corps, Navy, YMCA and a youth group named STAR/PAL, according to Bruce Binkowski of the San Diego Bowl Association.
Schools and their conferences are on the hook for the portion of their ticket allotments that they don't sell, so they usually donate the tickets and take the financial hit. Last year, UConn lost $1.8 million on its Fiesta Bowl trip because it sold only 3,000 of its allotment of 17,500 tickets . |
http://www.statesman.com/sports/collegefootball/many-bowl-games-a-tough-sell-these-days-2063677.html |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Only after a few big schools turn down bowl bids, and then the bowls will just relax the mandatory ticket purchase clauses.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Bowl game ticket sales and attendance |
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| Bash Riprock wrote: | One has to wonder how much longer university presidents are going to support a system that costs universities money, over a playoff system that would surely generate money.
| Quote: | The Holiday Bowl predicted about 60,000 tickets would be sold, but Texas had peddled barely 3,600 of its 11,000 allotment by Tuesday, according to the UT ticket office. The Longhorns donated the rest to the Marine Corps, Navy, YMCA and a youth group named STAR/PAL, according to Bruce Binkowski of the San Diego Bowl Association.
Schools and their conferences are on the hook for the portion of their ticket allotments that they don't sell, so they usually donate the tickets and take the financial hit. Last year, UConn lost $1.8 million on its Fiesta Bowl trip because it sold only 3,000 of its allotment of 17,500 tickets . |
http://www.statesman.com/sports/collegefootball/many-bowl-games-a-tough-sell-these-days-2063677.html |
=>Hard to believe UConn lost $ on the Fiesta Bowl given the value of BCS payouts. This year, the 5 BCS bowls will be paying out an estimated $181 million to be distributed by the BCS Group to the FBS and FCS conferences.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/2011/11/bowl-payouts-projected-around-281-million.html
Bowl Payouts and I highlighted the 5 bowls with MAC teams.
| Quote: | Bowl Game (2011-12 Projected Payout)
AdvoCare V100 Independence Bowl ($2,300,000)
Allstate BCS National Championship (**)
Allstate Sugar Bowl (**)
AT&T Cotton Bowl ($7,250,000)
AutoZone Liberty Bowl ($2,875,000)
BBVA Compass Bowl ($1,925,000)
Beef O’Brady’s Bowl St. Petersburg ($1,075,000)
Belk Bowl ($3,400,000)
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl (*$1,200,000)
Bridgepoint Education Holiday Bowl ($4,150,000)
Capital One Bowl ($9,100,000)
Champs Sports Bowl ($4,550,000)
Chick-fil-A Bowl ($6,900,000)
Discover Orange Bowl (**)
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl ($650,000) - Ohio U.
Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl ($3,675,000)
Gildan New Mexico Bowl ($912,500) - Temple
GoDaddy.com Bowl ($1,500,000) - NIU
Hyundai Sun Bowl ($4,000,000)
Insight Bowl ($6,650,000)
Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl ($1,675,000)
Little Caesars Pizza Bowl ($1,500,000) -WMU
MAACO Bowl Las Vegas ($2,200,000)
Meineke Car Care Bowl of Texas ($3,400,000)
Military Bowl pres. by Northrop Grumman ($2,000,000) -Toledo
New Era Pinstripe Bowl (*$3,600,000)
Outback Bowl ($7,000,000)
R+L Carriers New Orleans Bowl ($1,000,000)
Rose Bowl Game Presented by VIZIO (**)
San Diego Co. Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl ($1,000,000)
Sheraton Hawaii Bowl ($1,300,000)
TaxSlayer.com Gator Bowl ($5,450,000)
TicketCity Bowl ($2,200,000)
Tostitos Fiesta Bowl (**)
Valero Alamo Bowl ($6,350,000)
Approximate Total: $281,787,500
*2010-11 payout figure
**An estimated $181 million will be distributed by the BCS Group to the FBS and FCS conferences. |
Odd to see the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl ($650,000) and the Gildan New Mexico Bowl ($912,500) are the two lowest payouts given they are the bowls that are likely very costly for teams (and fans) to reach.
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| I want to go to the Military Bowl next year - if the game started later, we could have a very good showing in DC...and it's $2,000,000 |
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| Quote: | | This year, the 5 BCS bowls will be paying out an estimated $181 million to be distributed by the BCS Group to the FBS and FCS conferences. |
There are 247 FCS and FBS teams and 25 FCS and FBS conferences. If each team and each conference receives an equal share of the $181 million, that's only ca. $665,000 a piece. |
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Bowl games are serious money-losers for most schools.
College football is a serious money-loser for almost all schools.
These are indisputable facts that are reinforced every single season.
*cue T-Daddy's beating of the dead horse*
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Bowls are expensive, but the way I see it, they are the only opportunity for Miami to really rise to a national presence.
Follow me here. When NIU or Toledo plays in the irrelevant.com bowl, they are acheiving their max potential because their schools could never compete with BCS schools for top tier talent - they can't sell it as a build up to something greater. We can. Why? Because we have everything else - the campus, the history, Ben, the academics, the girls, the everything.
Why does an average BCS team- think Illinois, Purdue, Louisville - beat us out for recruits? It surely isn't the off field aspects that I mentioned before. It's wins. This year from January to August the staff could tell guys like David DeLeon and Jamire Westbrook that we won 10 games and were defending GoDaddy Bowl champions - a bowl, conveniently played in the South. Kansas couldn't tell Jamire that. Tennessee couldn't tell David that. Picture Treadwell in some living room saying, "And, Mr. Recruit, not only do we have them beat on campus life and academics, but we think we're going to get double digit wins every year from here on out. People say we're going to be the TCU of the Midwest and you can be a part of the growing momentum." Boom. Signed. Sealed. Delivered.
And then we played the games... 
The staff can tell recruits that it was a transition issue and that the cupboard was bare, etc. to cover for the 2012 class, but it's going to take a few more bowls over the next few years to get the guys needed to make big plays to give us signature wins that give us the press needed to really reach our potential.
...and the door is closing. We will see a playoff sometime in the next decade. When that happens, the bowls disappear and the MAC becomes the equivalent of a first round bye for the SEC team we'd meet every year. |
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| HighStreetBlues wrote: | | We will see a playoff sometime in the next decade. When that happens, the bowls disappear and the MAC becomes the equivalent of a first round bye for the SEC team we'd meet every year. |
I believe the exact opposite thing will happen. Kids aren't stupid. If you are a lower-level BCS-talent kid under today's system, it makes sense to go to the BCS school for a variety of reasons.
If you are that kid under a playoff system that gradually makes bowls completely irrelevant, you go to the high-level, non-BCS school because you know the odds of making the playoff are relatively higher there than at the low-level BCS school.
This will even things out just as it did with basketball. Hell, the uneven distribution of BCS money is part of what keeps basketball from achieving its true parity. Eliminate the BCS and you even out both football and basketball because the thumb of the BCS is removed from the scale of the big 6 conferences.
This is why the big schools have fought a football playoff for so long.
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I think the systems will combine, and each round of the playoffs will be a "bowl." Then again, I'd like the NCAA step in and for DIv. I-A college sports have things like pro leagues have including something like a salary cap and revenue sharing.
Okay......when you stop laughing you can go back to watching Notre Dame and Florida State.
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| I am 4Hawks wrote: | I think the systems will combine, and each round of the playoffs will be a "bowl." Then again, I'd like the NCAA step in and for DIv. I-A college sports have things like pro leagues have including something like a salary cap and revenue sharing.
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i dont think you're too far off with that idea....salary cap = expense cap....definitely share the revenue....and i'm about as right leaning as you'll find....
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| HawkLBacker wrote: | | I am 4Hawks wrote: | I think the systems will combine, and each round of the playoffs will be a "bowl." Then again, I'd like the NCAA step in and for DIv. I-A college sports have things like pro leagues have including something like a salary cap and revenue sharing.
Okay......when you stop laughing you can go back to watching Notre Dame and Florida State. |
i dont think you're too far off with that idea....salary cap = expense cap....definitely share the revenue....and i'm about as right leaning as you'll find.... |
Please expand that thought - would coaching salaries be included? Travel? |
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| HighStreetBlues wrote: | | HawkLBacker wrote: | | I am 4Hawks wrote: | I think the systems will combine, and each round of the playoffs will be a "bowl." Then again, I'd like the NCAA step in and for DIv. I-A college sports have things like pro leagues have including something like a salary cap and revenue sharing.
Okay......when you stop laughing you can go back to watching Notre Dame and Florida State. |
i dont think you're too far off with that idea....salary cap = expense cap....definitely share the revenue....and i'm about as right leaning as you'll find.... |
Please expand that thought - would coaching salaries be included? Travel? |
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| I am 4Hawks wrote: | | Okay......when you stop laughing you can go back to watching Notre Dame and Florida State. |
Kind of off topic, but for anyone watching that game last night - where do you think Tommy Rees would fall on Miami's QB depth chart?
(Not looking for a Notre Dame bashing session, was raised a ND fan, just curious) |
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| HighStreetBlues wrote: | | HawkLBacker wrote: | | I am 4Hawks wrote: | I think the systems will combine, and each round of the playoffs will be a "bowl." Then again, I'd like the NCAA step in and for DIv. I-A college sports have things like pro leagues have including something like a salary cap and revenue sharing.
Okay......when you stop laughing you can go back to watching Notre Dame and Florida State. |
i dont think you're too far off with that idea....salary cap = expense cap....definitely share the revenue....and i'm about as right leaning as you'll find.... |
Please expand that thought - would coaching salaries be included? Travel? |
• I think I would take a look at the average costs of running a Div. I-A program. Schools would have to be willing to pay a minimum of say 85% of that total. Schools who want to spend more, up to say 120% could do so, but they would be changed a "luxury tax."
• Coaching staffs would have a salary cap
• BCS schools would have to play at least one road game at a non-BCS school, this is does not include long time rivals
• TV revenue and bowl money would need to be more equally split in some way.
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| redhawks628 wrote: | | I am 4Hawks wrote: | | Okay......when you stop laughing you can go back to watching Notre Dame and Florida State. |
Kind of off topic, but for anyone watching that game last night - where do you think Tommy Rees would fall on Miami's QB depth chart?
(Not looking for a Notre Dame bashing session, was raised a ND fan, just curious) |
I can answer that one.
We offered Tommy in 2010 and he selected the Fighting Irish over us, Tennnesee and a host of MAC schools. Our only QB signing that year has since transferred. So in that sense, we'd love to have him, but in all honesty, based on what I've seen in regard to a weak noodle and his decision making capabilities, he'd likely be in a heated battle with Boucher to MAYBE be our back up.
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