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HawkLBacker Wealthy Alum


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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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fluid for sure.....UT, TAMU and OU now staying in Big 12-10....
thinking that Big Tenlevenwelve stays put at 12 until ND comes a calling in 2014....
Pac10 needs another member to get to 12....watch Utah jump MWC ship, since it appears no one from the Big 12 will head there now....
i'm going to keep an eye out for a Miami, Clemson, Va Tech and FSU raid by the SEC.... |
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renmanaz Wealthy Alum

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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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So....if the Big-12 keeps Texas and now consists of only 10 schools, shouldn't it now be called the Big-10. And, of course, the Big-10, now with 12 schools, ought rightfully to be renamed the Big-12. Oh, the irony of it all.  _________________ Miami University---4 years that changed my life for the better. |
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kamuohio Wealthy Alum


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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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I think the former big ten current big twelve ups the ante on ND and invites a couple teams from the Big East t ( 2 of Uconn, Rutgers, Syracuse) to try and break up that conference and force ND's hand.
If ND buys they invite all 3 and are at 16. _________________ Love and Honor |
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Cookie Monster Wealthy Alum


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Great move by Texas and its lackey schools! I think they might have taken into account the travel expenses to these PAC-10 schools and realized that it's a bit farther of a travel to Seattle than to Ames. _________________
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killgas20 The Fan The Hoops Team Fears

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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| renmanaz wrote: | So....if the Big-12 keeps Texas and now consists of only 10 schools, shouldn't it now be called the Big-10. And, of course, the Big-10, now with 12 schools, ought rightfully to be renamed the Big-12. Oh, the irony of it all.  |
The current Big 12 could add two more teams to get back to 12. What teams it would be, I don't know (Houston, TCU maybe?) _________________ MIAMI. PRAYER. ANSWERED! -- Steve Baker 12/3/2010
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Bash Riprock Stanton Slacker

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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Cookie Monster wrote: | | Great move by Texas and its lackey schools! I think they might have taken into account the travel expenses to these PAC-10 schools and realized that it's a bit farther of a travel to Seattle than to Ames. |
Actually they figured out that their share of the TV money in the PAC-10 would be less then what it would be in the Big 12 now that there are only 10 teams. |
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MiamiMAC Wealthy Alum


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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Right now Colorado is realizing they made a huge mistake. Welcome to the anonymous world of West Coast college football. _________________ I don't read literature. I read literary criticism. |
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MrG Wealthy Alum


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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Remnants of Big 12 (if any) will be force to merge with WAC if they can't strip MWC of its best and thus remain a BCS conference.
Basically B12 just got Pillaged and Raped here with out a Bohica warning or a courtesy reach around.
End result. Vs BE almost dying during last BCS raid and surviving to grab a few more to remain BCS in name if not quality in their peer's eyes...B12 will be a well picked skeleton with vultures sitting on the hornless skull of a once fat steer (cause we know they lost their balls somewhere down the line to let the rest of the BCS line up at the BUFFET table of their teams w/o any legal injunctions or plans to raid MWC or grab Boise to make their B12 conference bigger and better than it was.)
Die B12 Die! seems to be the aim of the rest of the BCS right now.
Now if they can do this to one of their own. Who in their right mind thinks they have any inklings of fairness for the rest of the D1 football world out there?
B12 survivors + MWC + WAC Must combine and form their own superconference to compete.
THis means that if the SEC raids and ACC does too in the EAST that the BE will be the main target. WV is gonna end up out of the BE as will some of their bigger teams again.
THis will leave the BE bleeding and twitching again like the B12 is now.
The BE will have to Raid the MAC, the C-USA to form it's own superconference to have a chance to belly up to the till of the BCS.
WHat then will happen w/ a 16+ team Superconference will be a split internally to a Premier Top 8 group and a Bottom 8 Group forming two internal subdivisions.
All nominally D1 all nominally allowed to compete for the National Championship under the BCS banner...
To stay in the Premier division you must have a Winning season and at least a .500 season w/in your own Superconference or get demoted...or do better and get promoted...
This controls the teams internally w/o actually demoting them to D-1AA status, lets them still play at D1-A status and be there as OOC games for other BCS Superconferences. (You'll see them scheduling the "B" teams more than the "A" league for OCC and still claim it's the BE-BCS conference they are playing OOC!! "TOUT! TOUT!"
THis allows for regional and traditional rivalries to remain on the table as well as adding in a A vs B Championship (guaranteeing most of the time thawt the A team is the winner of course.) And thus keeping the rankings of the rest of the A league set until Bowl Season is up and the team cards can be dealt. (You'll always see that the A league gets preference over the B here internally too and money will be weighted to the A league more heavily because of this. But then if a B team is higher ranked. Why then, that's what at large bowl games are for. Aren't they?
Any takers on this format here as a Bet? A frosty can of suds might be the prize! _________________ ESPN is to the BCS what FOX News is to the Republican party. Though it is hard to tell who's got their head up the arses of the other farther. Rest of the world, just has to watch their interests flicker by on the ticker tape meanwhile. |
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MiamiMAC Wealthy Alum


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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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Uh, Mr. G, meds feeling good?
The Big 12 lost 2 also-ran schools. When was the last time Nebraska or Colorado were considered conference making teams? _________________ I don't read literature. I read literary criticism. |
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cochise Senior Barfly


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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Cookie Monster wrote: | | Great move by Texas and its lackey schools! I think they might have taken into account the travel expenses to these PAC-10 schools and realized that it's a bit farther of a travel to Seattle than to Ames. |
Yep, kind of a crazy week here! Lots of $$ will be coming in, esp. for TX... but people out here are pretty happy, esp. given the travel involved. the $$ is helpful too.
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JohnnyMac Wealthy Alum


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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| MiamiMAC wrote: | | The Big 12 lost 2 also-ran schools. When was the last time Nebraska or Colorado were considered conference making teams? |
They just lost one-half of all the schools from the conference that have won a football national championship.
The question is, with no championship game for the Big XII, do the other BCS schools just sit back and allow the Texas v. Oklahoma game determine one-half of the BCS national championship game every year? _________________ And the days that I keep my gratitude higher than my expectations
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cochise Senior Barfly


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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| killgas20 wrote: | | renmanaz wrote: | So....if the Big-12 keeps Texas and now consists of only 10 schools, shouldn't it now be called the Big-10. And, of course, the Big-10, now with 12 schools, ought rightfully to be renamed the Big-12. Oh, the irony of it all.  |
The current Big 12 could add two more teams to get back to 12. What teams it would be, I don't know (Houston, Texas. Chicken. University. maybe?) |
I don't think they are going to expand. Keep things as is and the $$ is greater for all. If it was to happen, probably TCU and ? |
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MrG Wealthy Alum


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| NickSkin wrote: | HawklBacker...tough to say as everything is so fluid.
However I think:
PAC10 will add: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State...and UTAH! to get to 16 teams.
SEC will add Texas A&M will get it to 13 teams and then add a team from the ACC to get to 14
The Mountain West will add: Kansas, Missouri and Iowa State after it loses Utah to the PAC10
The Big 10 will stand pat.
Where will Baylor land? |
SEC and ACC will also raid Big EAST to make it go the way of the B12.
BcS wants to cull the Herd.
B-10 should add WV and the other 3 teams from BE that were mentioned if the BE is raided by ACC and SEC as is expected.
BE will be a skeleton to be picked at by MAC (takes Baylor, steals Memphis and invites remains of BE to form BigMAC conference)
C-uSa will be cherry picked too after BE is raped...
What will prevent BE from being raped and pillaged?
BE grabs Temple and Memphis immediately to offset any early defections to ACC/SEC growth towards Superconference status.
BE then will have to look to replace and secure markets in certain areas by grabbing a second team for a rivalry game to market during the season against the other superconferences grabbing all the headlines. History and Tradition to tout.
BE to solidify in SW ohio= NEED Miami. Benifit BBall and Football rivalry vs Cinci built in. (Miami also brings a solid CCHA Hockey National power that the BE can Market/share glory with too)
If WV stays in BE- (GAH) BE will take Marshall and force that rivalry to be played once a year too.
To solidify SE Ohio, WV, and SW Penn Markets. Ohio and Temple requested.
Benifit here is a rivalry between Ohio/Temple that was growing (sorta?) and can be marketed as such. Plus Ohio WV/Marshall Border wars.
Temple and Ohio Bball bring much to table for rivalries and market too.
Toledo brings NW ohio.
Kent Akron- if they can't merge teams to make one new school in area one only to the new league for rebuild. Unfortunately Kent Bball is desired and Akron Football seems (perceived?) better than Kent... 50-50-90 choice of which here.
Indiana and Illinois Markets...MAC teams...
Tougher in Michigan.... CMU seems to be leader here, but WMU has a CCHA hockey program too...
WHich current BE teams look to be the Best fits for B-10/SEC/ACC raids currently (I say WV is the tops here.)
How many BE teams would remain?
If under 4 then the MAC needs to Force Merger and form Big MAC, grabbing (Baylor/Memphis/plus one or two more) and forming a Premier A and B league w/in the conference to manage 16 or more teams vs arbitrary regional locational splittings which will leave some teams in the dust no matter what on travel.
If BE has 5-6 teams left. Name the 6-8 teams that the BE needs to take from C-USA and the MAC (regionally the best fit for TV market really) to survive as a BcS member (if it's even allowed too.) _________________ ESPN is to the BCS what FOX News is to the Republican party. Though it is hard to tell who's got their head up the arses of the other farther. Rest of the world, just has to watch their interests flicker by on the ticker tape meanwhile. |
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MiamiMAC Wealthy Alum


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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| JohnnyMac wrote: | | MiamiMAC wrote: | | The Big 12 lost 2 also-ran schools. When was the last time Nebraska or Colorado were considered conference making teams? |
They just lost one-half of all the schools from the conference that have won a football national championship.
The question is, with no championship game for the Big XII, do the other BCS schools just sit back and allow the Texas v. Oklahoma game determine one-half of the BCS national championship game every year? |
Miami was ranked more recently than Colorado and haven't really done much. Nebraska was good last year, but still had 4 losses, and seem to lose 4 games every year. Neither will be a threat for a national championship anytime soon, if ever.
I truly believe that Nebraska will be a bottom half Big 10 team, and everyone will forget Colorado like they do most teams in the PAC-10. _________________ I don't read literature. I read literary criticism. |
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NickSkin Recruiting Guru Extraordinaire

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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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It's official. Conference realignment is over...with a whimper
Texas & all other schools to remain in Big 12 per ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5286672
This means that the BIG 10, now with 12 teams, will continue to wait for Notre Dame. However now it can play a championship game.
PAC 10 will make a play for Utah to get to 12 & stop...for now. It too can play a championship game.
With Texas A&M staying in the BIG 12, the SEC is unlikely to expand into the ACC.
Mountain West adds Boise but losses Utah
WAC lost the most so far with the departure of Boise
Can the MAC do anything to improve its lot? _________________ Mollautt to Big A HG: "Dude, you need to bow down and kiss our rings. You are talking to giants."
TXMURedskin on Treadwell's coaching staff: "We're putting the band back together!" |
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elpalito Wealthy Alum

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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| MiamiMAC wrote: | | JohnnyMac wrote: | | MiamiMAC wrote: | | The Big 12 lost 2 also-ran schools. When was the last time Nebraska or Colorado were considered conference making teams? |
They just lost one-half of all the schools from the conference that have won a football national championship.
The question is, with no championship game for the Big XII, do the other BCS schools just sit back and allow the Texas v. Oklahoma game determine one-half of the BCS national championship game every year? |
Miami was ranked more recently than Colorado and haven't really done much. Nebraska was good last year, but still had 4 losses, and seem to lose 4 games every year. Neither will be a threat for a national championship anytime soon, if ever.
I truly believe that Nebraska will be a bottom half Big 10 team, and everyone will forget Colorado like they do most teams in the PAC-10. |
Eh, I think Nebraska will move nicely into the 2nd tier of B10 football teams along with Wisconsin and Purdue. |
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kamuohio Wealthy Alum


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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| NickSkin wrote: | It's official. Conference realignment is over...with a whimper
Texas & all other schools to remain in Big 12 per ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5286672
This means that the BIG 10, now with 12 teams, will continue to wait for Notre Dame. However now it can play a championship game.
PAC 10 will make a play for Utah to get to 12 & stop...for now. It too can play a championship game.
With Texas A&M staying in the BIG 12, the SEC is unlikely to expand into the ACC.
Mountain West adds Boise but losses Utah
WAC lost the most so far with the departure of Boise
Can the MAC do anything to improve its lot? |
I really do think the B10 (12) may still not be done. A couple pilfered schools out of the BE could lead to some more conference turmoil. Who knows if it will happen. If the BE does get raided that will be the best opportunity for mac schools to improve their lot...but the likelihood is that they would have to leave the conference to do it.
In the end you might be right...this all may be over, for now. _________________ Love and Honor |
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kamuohio Wealthy Alum


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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Something here or is PA's footprint what he is talking about?
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/13129/nebraska-officials-gush-about-big-ten
Osborne on recruiting: "Sometimes you hear people say, 'Well, this will really affect your Texas recruiting, and it might.' We will continue to recruit Texas. We will continue to get some players out of Texas, maybe not as many, but we certainly can get more, probably, in the Midwest and the East Coast." Does he know something about the Big Ten's next expansion move? _________________ Love and Honor |
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CAredhawk13 Wealthy Alum


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Things we have learned:
1. Texas does value tradition...and $$$
2. The Big (10-12) is the devil
3. Colorado and Nebraska thought ESPN reported facts and got skrewed
I couldnt be happier |
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JrDex19 Wealthy Alum


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I think the Big 12 should become the LAC (Longhorn Athletic Conference) the way everyone bent over for them. They almost have to add 2 teams sooner than later. Not playing a championship game will be fine until TX gets screwed by the long delay between regular season and the bowls and then MEMPHIS/TCU/whoever will be getting a phone call.
Nebraska has to be glad they are moving to the Big 10 (++) .
It will be interesting to see if Colorado regrets the move and who becomes the Pac 12? _________________ "We will win because... We're Miami and they're Not!" |
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mpurdy22 Wealthy Alum


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| NickSkin wrote: | It's official. Conference realignment is over...with a whimper
Texas & all other schools to remain in Big 12 per ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5286672
This means that the BIG 10, now with 12 teams, will continue to wait for Notre Dame. However now it can play a championship game.
PAC 10 will make a play for Utah to get to 12 & stop...for now. It too can play a championship game.
With Texas A&M staying in the BIG 12, the SEC is unlikely to expand into the ACC.
Mountain West adds Boise but losses Utah
WAC lost the most so far with the departure of Boise
Can the MAC do anything to improve its lot? |
Well, does the Big 12 now stay at 10 or add two replacements and get back to 12?? Memphis and Louisville??? |
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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| CAredhawk13 wrote: | Things we have learned:
1. Texas does value tradition...and $$$
2. The Big (10-12) is the devil
3. Colorado and Nebraska thought ESPN reported facts and got skrewed
I couldnt be happier |
Texas only stayed because of the money from the new TV deal promised and the guarantee they can start their own network and keep all the proceeds. _________________ "The Blues had a baby and they named it Rock and Roll!!"
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NickSkin Recruiting Guru Extraordinaire

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I don't know if the B10 needs to add BE teams UNLESS it feels that at least one of the teams added brings additional $$$ to the table. No reason the B10 should split the pot of $$$ it currently enjoys unless there is a bigger windfall from an added team.
Nebraska now allows the B10 to play a championship game which adds revenue.
Sounds as though the B12 is currently happy with 10. Although it loses a championship game, the redone TV package should more than make up for it. _________________ Mollautt to Big A HG: "Dude, you need to bow down and kiss our rings. You are talking to giants."
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OldSchoolScholar Wealthy Alum

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Have we lost all sense of Geographic Correctness?
Colorado and (almost) Texas in the Pacific Athletic Conference???
Also, we are having difficulties with The New Math (again). As of this morning, The PAC-10 has 11 teams, The Big Ten has 12, and The Big 12 has ten.  _________________ It's "Miami University," plain and simple! For as long as the wind shall blow! |
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kamuohio Wealthy Alum


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| NickSkin wrote: | I don't know if the B10 needs to add BE teams UNLESS it feels that at least one of the teams added brings additional $$$ to the table. No reason the B10 should split the pot of $$$ it currently enjoys unless there is a bigger windfall from an added team.
Nebraska now allows the B10 to play a championship game which adds revenue.
Sounds as though the B12 is currently happy with 10. Although it loses a championship game, the redone TV package should more than make up for it. |
The b10 expanding to the NE could bring additional TV revenue which would justify the expansion. The NY market is a major one. Combine that with the possibility of forcing ND's hand and your TV revenue could skyrocket in the future....
You are probably right that it won't happen...but seems plausible. _________________ Love and Honor |
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