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| Hawkburgh wrote: | Nick - I think you are missing L-Lafayette in Sun Belt?
Obviously I am running out of things to do as I watch students take an exam. |
you are correct...and corrected above
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Seeing more"chatter" about Louisville to the Big 12. If that is the case, would it be a mistake by the MAC to "encourage" the Big East to replace L-ville with UMASS then all sports for an extensive basketball scheduling agreement between the MAC and Big East?
This then would keep the MAC balanced at 12 schools and will provide more $ to the 12 with the new BCS changes instead of sharing with 14 or 16 teams that some think the MAC may consider.
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| or 10 schools if CUSA picks off Ohio and Toledo. |
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| elpalito wrote: | | or 10 schools if CUSA picks off Ohio and Toledo. |
You know I'd be fine with that. Nice 9 game round robin MAC schedule. You then could play 1 non-conference away $$$ game, 1 home and home series game against a C-USA/MWC type school and the other game would be our U.C. game.
1. Akron
2. Ball State
3. BGSU
4. Buffalo
5. Central Michigan
6. Eastern Michigan
7. Kent State
8. Miami
9. Northern Illinois
10. Western Michigan
If we only had 2 Bowl Games, so be it. The top two teams in the league get a bowl and maybe 3 teams if our top team is possibly ranked #6 or higher and is in the new "BCS" postseason format
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| mpurdy22 wrote: | | elpalito wrote: | | or 10 schools if CUSA picks off Ohio and Toledo. |
You know I'd be fine with that. Nice 9 game round robin MAC schedule. You then could play 1 non-conference away $$$ game, 1 home and home series game against a C-USA/MWC type school and the other game would be our U.C. game.
1. Akron
2. Ball State
3. BGSU
4. Buffalo
5. Central Michigan
6. Eastern Michigan
7. Kent State
8. Miami
9. Northern Illinois
10. Western Michigan
If we only had 2 Bowl Games, so be it. The top two teams in the league get a bowl and maybe 3 teams if our top team is possibly ranked #6 or higher and is in the new "BCS" postseason format |
Yeah a MAC without OU and Toledo looks just horrible.
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| kamuohio wrote: | | mpurdy22 wrote: | | elpalito wrote: | | or 10 schools if CUSA picks off Ohio and Toledo. |
You know I'd be fine with that. Nice 9 game round robin MAC schedule. You then could play 1 non-conference away $$$ game, 1 home and home series game against a C-USA/MWC type school and the other game would be our U.C. game.
1. Akron
2. Ball State
3. BGSU
4. Buffalo
5. Central Michigan
6. Eastern Michigan
7. Kent State
8. Miami
9. Northern Illinois
10. Western Michigan
If we only had 2 Bowl Games, so be it. The top two teams in the league get a bowl and maybe 3 teams if our top team is possibly ranked #6 or higher and is in the new "BCS" postseason format |
Yeah a MAC without OU and Toledo looks just horrible. |
I agree
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| kamuohio wrote: | | mpurdy22 wrote: | | elpalito wrote: | | or 10 schools if CUSA picks off Ohio and Toledo. |
You know I'd be fine with that. Nice 9 game round robin MAC schedule. You then could play 1 non-conference away $$$ game, 1 home and home series game against a C-USA/MWC type school and the other game would be our U.C. game.
1. Akron
2. Ball State
3. BGSU
4. Buffalo
5. Central Michigan
6. Eastern Michigan
7. Kent State
8. Miami
9. Northern Illinois
10. Western Michigan
If we only had 2 Bowl Games, so be it. The top two teams in the league get a bowl and maybe 3 teams if our top team is possibly ranked #6 or higher and is in the new "BCS" postseason format |
Yeah a MAC without OU and Toledo looks just horrible. |
We rarely play Toledo anyway, and we would always play Ohio OOC, so it really wouldn't change much.
But, I'm just sick of the moving earth in this whole conference realignment BS. Most of the fun of college sports has been ruined by destroying tradition in favor of chasing a few more dollars, and the chasing of the dollars will NEVER end. Most of these discussions about realignment seem to be predicated on there being some final version of each conference that will soon be determined, but I think that quicksand will be the norm for the foreseeable future. I wish the MAC would just lock in our 12 or 13 teams and stand still for now, while there is still some fun left in our college sports conference.
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| kamuohio wrote: | | mpurdy22 wrote: | | elpalito wrote: | | or 10 schools if CUSA picks off Ohio and Toledo. |
You know I'd be fine with that. Nice 9 game round robin MAC schedule. You then could play 1 non-conference away $$$ game, 1 home and home series game against a C-USA/MWC type school and the other game would be our U.C. game.
1. Akron
2. Ball State
3. BGSU
4. Buffalo
5. Central Michigan
6. Eastern Michigan
7. Kent State
8. Miami
9. Northern Illinois
10. Western Michigan
If we only had 2 Bowl Games, so be it. The top two teams in the league get a bowl and maybe 3 teams if our top team is possibly ranked #6 or higher and is in the new "BCS" postseason format |
Yeah a MAC without OU and Toledo looks just horrible. |
A MAC with OU and Toledo looks horrible, too. |
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| The continued inaccessibility towards a national title is just more reason to take money from football and put it in basketball. Even doubling the football budget wouldn't change Miami's fortunes. Whether it is in the MAC or CUSA or whatever future non-BCS conference Miami joins. |
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| elpalito wrote: | | The continued inaccessibility towards a national title is just more reason to take money from football and put it in basketball. Even doubling the football budget wouldn't change Miami's fortunes. Whether it is in the MAC or CUSA or whatever future non-BCS conference Miami joins. |
how much money do you think it would take to give basketball more accessibility to the national title?
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| HawkLBacker wrote: | | elpalito wrote: | | The continued inaccessibility towards a national title is just more reason to take money from football and put it in basketball. Even doubling the football budget wouldn't change Miami's fortunes. Whether it is in the MAC or CUSA or whatever future non-BCS conference Miami joins. |
how much money do you think it would take to give basketball more accessibility to the national title? |
Miami has accessibility to the national title now. If we win every basketball game next year, we get the crown. Not true in football.
Anyways, our conference mate OU was 4 wins away from a national title last year. Similar programs in stature VCU and George Mason were 2 wins away in the last few years. Butler was 1 win away twice.
Clearly the level of investment is much more realistic in basketball, although money is just one of many factors to consider to really compete in the sport. Bowling Green has and will receive a lot of investment as that gift comes to maturity. It will be interesting to see how many problems money alone solves. |
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| HoosierHawk wrote: | | HawkLBacker wrote: | | elpalito wrote: | | The continued inaccessibility towards a national title is just more reason to take money from football and put it in basketball. Even doubling the football budget wouldn't change Miami's fortunes. Whether it is in the MAC or CUSA or whatever future non-BCS conference Miami joins. |
how much money do you think it would take to give basketball more accessibility to the national title? |
Miami has accessibility to the national title now. If we win every basketball game next year, we get the crown. Not true in football.
Anyways, our conference mate OU was 4 wins away from a national title last year. Similar programs in stature VCU and George Mason were 2 wins away in the last few years. Butler was 1 win away twice.
Clearly the level of investment is much more realistic in basketball, although money is just one of many factors to consider to really compete in the sport. Bowling Green has and will receive a lot of investment as that gift comes to maturity. It will be interesting to see how many problems money alone solves. |
Yes, OU was 4 games away from the national title AND they have a football team. One that is being pursued per another thread by CUSA. OU has shown that it is both very possible and very realistic to have a top team in both basketball and have a DI football team. One does not hinder the other if you use OU as an example. I doubt OU would tell you their having a football team is why they didnt win the national title in basketball.
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AAAHHHHHHHH!!!!
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From the same article, re: JMU football attendance:
| Quote: | | The Dukes averaged 25,002 fans per game at expanded Bridgeforth Stadium last year. |
I think that would be near the top, if not the top, in the MAC.
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| Crashdad wrote: | From the same article, re: JMU football attendance:
| Quote: | | The Dukes averaged 25,002 fans per game at expanded Bridgeforth Stadium last year. |
I think that would be near the top, if not the top, in the MAC. |
I have a friend who played football at Morehead 07-10. They played at JMU and he said he could feel the ground shake from the noise the crowd made during kickoff. I've been to A LOT of MAC football games and I have never felt that. You could argue that he was exaggerating, but when we went to Boise a few years ago, their small stadium shook the ground. JMU has some great football fans. |
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| With Boise reconsidering the BE, it shows how unstable this whole realignment thing is right now. At this point, I would rather stay in the MAC and see what happens around us. Never thought I'd say that. |
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| redhawk11 wrote: | | With Boise reconsidering the BE, it shows how unstable this whole realignment thing is right now. At this point, I would rather stay in the MAC and see what happens around us. Never thought I'd say that. |
There are probably a few teams that recently made the move to the WAC who wished they had said the same thing. |
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If this is the case, go after William & Mary as well as James Madison.
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| HoosierHawk wrote: | | HawkLBacker wrote: | | elpalito wrote: | | The continued inaccessibility towards a national title is just more reason to take money from football and put it in basketball. Even doubling the football budget wouldn't change Miami's fortunes. Whether it is in the MAC or CUSA or whatever future non-BCS conference Miami joins. |
how much money do you think it would take to give basketball more accessibility to the national title? |
Miami has accessibility to the national title now. If we win every basketball game next year, we get the crown. Not true in football.
Anyways, our conference mate OU was 4 wins away from a national title last year. Similar programs in stature VCU and George Mason were 2 wins away in the last few years. Butler was 1 win away twice.
Clearly the level of investment is much more realistic in basketball, although money is just one of many factors to consider to really compete in the sport. Bowling Green has and will receive a lot of investment as that gift comes to maturity. It will be interesting to see how many problems money alone solves. |
it was more a question of curiosity than anything else....bball and fball championship tracks are like comparing apples and bicycles under the current format....maybe moving to apples and oranges under the proposed format (at least both are fruits)....
good point on the bg scenario....would be interested to see how those investments increase their chances of a NC....
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| HawkLBacker wrote: | | HoosierHawk wrote: | | HawkLBacker wrote: | | elpalito wrote: | | The continued inaccessibility towards a national title is just more reason to take money from football and put it in basketball. Even doubling the football budget wouldn't change Miami's fortunes. Whether it is in the MAC or CUSA or whatever future non-BCS conference Miami joins. |
how much money do you think it would take to give basketball more accessibility to the national title? |
Miami has accessibility to the national title now. If we win every basketball game next year, we get the crown. Not true in football.
Anyways, our conference mate OU was 4 wins away from a national title last year. Similar programs in stature VCU and George Mason were 2 wins away in the last few years. Butler was 1 win away twice.
Clearly the level of investment is much more realistic in basketball, although money is just one of many factors to consider to really compete in the sport. Bowling Green has and will receive a lot of investment as that gift comes to maturity. It will be interesting to see how many problems money alone solves. |
it was more a question of curiosity than anything else....bball and fball championship tracks are like comparing apples and bicycles under the current format....maybe moving to apples and oranges under the proposed format (at least both are fruits)....
good point on the bg scenario....would be interested to see how those investments increase their chances of a NC.... |
Probably won't help much at all. In terms of basketball, I am a firm believer in the coach and if the players fit the system you can win. $$ can give you a slight edge I suppose in making the locker room look "pretty" and the arena having some sort of "wow" factor to help draw fans, but I think you have to have a coach that knows how to connect with his players and staff. Now, where money is a big issue, is once you find that coach, its being able to keep him. But I don't think "moving" football down to FCS at Miami would be enough of a dollars difference to compete for "high" dollar coaches. You would probably have to drop football to make a difference.
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| redhawk11 wrote: | | Crashdad wrote: | From the same article, re: JMU football attendance:
| Quote: | | The Dukes averaged 25,002 fans per game at expanded Bridgeforth Stadium last year. |
I think that would be near the top, if not the top, in the MAC. |
I have a friend who played football at Morehead 07-10. They played at JMU and he said he could feel the ground shake from the noise the crowd made during kickoff. I've been to A LOT of MAC football games and I have never felt that. You could argue that he was exaggerating, but when we went to Boise a few years ago, their small stadium shook the ground. JMU has some great football fans. |
I felt the earth shake when Amstutz fell over on the sideline. Wasn't even at the game.
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| MiamiMAC wrote: | | redhawk11 wrote: | | Crashdad wrote: | From the same article, re: JMU football attendance:
| Quote: | | The Dukes averaged 25,002 fans per game at expanded Bridgeforth Stadium last year. |
I think that would be near the top, if not the top, in the MAC. |
I have a friend who played football at Morehead 07-10. They played at JMU and he said he could feel the ground shake from the noise the crowd made during kickoff. I've been to A LOT of MAC football games and I have never felt that. You could argue that he was exaggerating, but when we went to Boise a few years ago, their small stadium shook the ground. JMU has some great football fans. |
I felt the earth shake when Amstutz fell over on the sideline. Wasn't even at the game. |
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