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smithspike Wealthy Alum


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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: NCAA APR Penalties |
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Toledo loses 4 football scholarships, Cincinnati loses 1 basketball scholarship, and Cleveland State loses 0.84 baseball scholarships. No other Ohio schools are penalized.
From the Columbus Dispatch
Miami is strong again.
Miami's data from the NCAA |
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Spanks004 Wealthy Alum


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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| maybe im not interpreting the data correctly, but from what i saw, pretty disappointed in the softball and volleyball teams |
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bluesman Wealthy Alum


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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Spanks004 wrote: | | maybe im not interpreting the data correctly, but from what i saw, pretty disappointed in the softball and volleyball teams |
Well they are a little lower than the other teams but I hardly think scores of 953 and 961 are anything to be disappointed about. |
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stevo Wealthy Alum


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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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The raw scores for those sports are not bad, but I agree that being in the 20th-30th percentile (softball) and 30th-40th percentile (volleyball) does appear disappointing.
However, a question about those percentiles. How does tennis, with a perfect 1000, end up in the 80th-90th percentile?
Also, I find it interesting that the football APR for D-IA (934) is higher than the APR for D-IAA (927) - though neither is respectable. Perhaps playing all those playoff games did hurt D-IAA schools academically! |
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thechuck_2112 Wants life tenure for Charlie Coles

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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| stevo wrote: | | However, a question about those percentiles. How does tennis, with a perfect 1000, end up in the 80th-90th percentile? |
Well, if (for the sake of argument) 85% of all tennis teams have an APR of only 999, and 15% (our tennis team included) have a perfect 1000, then we'd only be better than 85% of all tennis teams, putting us solidly in the 80th-90th percentile. _________________ "Psycho was low on talent. Psycho was low on athleticism. Psycho can play on my team any day. Psycho has the biggest heart of any player I have seen."
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stevo Wealthy Alum


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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| thechuck_2112 wrote: | | stevo wrote: | | However, a question about those percentiles. How does tennis, with a perfect 1000, end up in the 80th-90th percentile? |
Well, if (for the sake of argument) 85% of all tennis teams have an APR of only 999, and 15% (our tennis team included) have a perfect 1000, then we'd only be better than 85% of all tennis teams, putting us solidly in the 80th-90th percentile. |
So in your example, no team would score in the 90-100 percentile. 80-90 is as high as the scale would go? I have no mathematical basis for thinking this, but that doesn't seem right... |
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thechuck_2112 Wants life tenure for Charlie Coles

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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Right, because (if we make it even simpler, with just 100 teams) there are 85 teams you're better than and 14 you're not better than (b/c you're tied). So no one is the 99th percentile or whatever. In theory, everyone could tie for the 0th percentile on the SAT if everyone got exactly the same score; of course, they have an army of statisticians and question-writers making sure a good distribution is achieved in practice. APR, for obvious reasons, can't exactly have that. _________________ "Psycho was low on talent. Psycho was low on athleticism. Psycho can play on my team any day. Psycho has the biggest heart of any player I have seen."
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Getting hooked Wealthy Alum


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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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What is the sample pool for volleyball and softball........I love the bowling category......NOT _________________ Love and Honor.......Here's to 500 Million!! |
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stevo Wealthy Alum


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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Getting hooked wrote: | | What is the sample pool for volleyball and softball........I love the bowling category......NOT |
It looks like there are 272 softball teams and 316 volleyball teams. |
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bluesman Wealthy Alum


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| Sort of sad there are only 86 men's wrestling teams left in the country. Talk about a sport hit hard by Title IX. And only 22 men's volleyball teams. Guess being ranked in the top 20 doesn't mean much!! |
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DevilGrad Arrogant Prick

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Maz Mule Insurer

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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:22 am Post subject: |
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In the post article to which DG linked in his front page article, did anyone notice the gigantic loophole that Brand mentions? Next year, unless teams improve their scores or have a workable plan in place, they will be penalized. (paraphrasing)
You don't have to be Nostra-freaking-damus to see what's coming, do you? _________________ Franchising accounts for 15.3% of the jobs in the U.S. private sector. (Source: Economic Impact of Franchised Businesses)
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DevilGrad Arrogant Prick

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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Very good point.
Still, as I've contended for years, this stuff is real (at least as applied to the smaller schools) and all the message-board mental masturbation over the attendance rules was useless. _________________ What's wrong with Miami? "the pedostal isnt as high as it used to be..." |
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stevo Wealthy Alum


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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:34 am Post subject: |
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A couple of other notes:
- Other than softball and volleyball, all the rest of Miami's teams (16 of 1 had an APR higher than the Division I average - including all of the men's teams.
- Other than softball, volleyball, and men's outdoor track, the rest of Miami's teams had an APR higher than the average of all private colleges. And the track team was only below that average by one point (971 v. 972). |
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miamibeef04 Wealthy Alum


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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Men's Fencing and Women's Crew (Rowing) are the "smartest" sports....Interesting.
Nice work from the RedHawks. To be in the category of not having any teams lose scholarships is something to be VERY proud of.
While OSU basketball is safe for now, it doesn't look good for the future (which couldn't make me happier ):
| Quote: | Despite making the cutoff, though, the OSU men's basketball team is a concern to school officials. The squad-size adjustment ends after this year.
The 902 score is a three-year average, meaning it will difficult to raise the score above 925 in a year.
Also, three Ohio A&M Aggies are expected to leave early for the NBA — Mike Conley Jr., Daequan Cook and Greg Oden. If even one of those three is not academically eligible after spring quarter, it might lead to penalties next year. |
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smithspike Wealthy Alum


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| The ESPN article that DG linked stated that over one-fourth of the schools that received warning letters are in the Katrina zone. Is this a result of Katrina's impact on the schools or the schools' lack of attention to academics? I would guess that this is due to Katrina, but Tulane performed well. |
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DevilGrad Arrogant Prick

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Maz Mule Insurer

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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Wow, I think I just got a reference on EDSBS ... (for pointing out the loophole) ... uncredited, but a reference.
I feel almost famous. _________________ Franchising accounts for 15.3% of the jobs in the U.S. private sector. (Source: Economic Impact of Franchised Businesses)
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DevilGrad Arrogant Prick

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Maz Mule Insurer

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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| DevilGrad wrote: | | I've updated our front page to make sure you are credited for this insight. |
Not neceesary, my ego really isn't as big as my post count, but it also doesn't need daily affirmation. Still, the gesture is appreciated. _________________ Franchising accounts for 15.3% of the jobs in the U.S. private sector. (Source: Economic Impact of Franchised Businesses)
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FLBobcat99 Worried About His "Inadequacy"

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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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I will withhold comment on the APR until next year, when the NCAA says it's getting rid of the "squad size adjustment."
USF, for example, has a truly awful graduation rate for its basketball players, but we were able to "squad size adjust." Ohio State's football graduation rate was the lowest of all teams playing in a bowl game this year, yet they somehow "squad size adjust" to get to 925.
Scammers, all of them. _________________ Ohio '99 EMU '00 USF '09 |
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 2:05 am Post subject: Re: NCAA APR Penalties |
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| smithspike wrote: | | Cincinnati loses 1 basketball scholarship |
The Enquirer says differently...
UC not penalized for score _________________ "I thought it was against the law for Miami to fire a Shriver." |
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