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 Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:18 pm Post subject: Better At Large Candidate: UK, UC, or Akron? |
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=>Yes, we would all wish death and destruction to each program. That is a given. But what if came down to the last NCAA at large spot among those 3...what you honestly pick if on the committee?
Numbers as of today (03/06/13)
Akron Resume
RPI: 48
SOS: 144
Record: 24-5 (all vs. DI)
League Record: 14-1 (1st MAC East & 1st Overall)
Non-League Record: 9-4
Home Record: 14-0
Away Record: 7-4
Neutral Record: 2-1
Total Non-Home Record: 9-5
Last 10 Record:
Vs. Top 25: 1-0
Vs. 25-50: 0-2
Vs. Top 50: 1-2
Vs. 51-100: 3-1
Vs. Top 100: 4-3
Vs. 101+: 19-2
Best Wins: H-MTSU (RPI #25), H-Ohio (#65), @Ohio (#65),
Worst Losses: @Coastal Carolina (#270), @Buffalo (#218)
Notes: Close loss to #26 Ok. St. (69-65) on a neutral court. Losses to Coastal and UB really hurt. Fantastic record vs. Top 100.
Cincinnati Resume
RPI: 49
SOS: 20
Record: 20-10 (all vs. DI)
League Record: 8-9 (10th Big East)
Non-League Record: 12-1
Home Record: 12-5
Away Record: 4-5
Neutral Record: 4-0
Total Non-Home Record: 8-5
Last 10 Record: 4-6
Vs. Top 25: 1-4
Vs. 25-50: 3-4
Vs. Top 50: 4-8
Vs. 51-100: 4-2
Vs. Top 100: 8-10
Vs. 101+: 12-0
Best Wins: H-Marquette (RPI #12), @Pitt (#38 ), H-UConn (#39), N-Oregon (#50), N-Iowa St. (#53), H-Villanova (#55), H-Alabama (#62)
Worst Losses: @Providence (#77), H-St. John's (#73)
Notes: No real bad losses for UC. Losing record vs. top 100, but 8-10 is not bad.
Kentucky Resume
RPI: 51
SOS: 61
Record: 20-9 (all vs. DI)
League Record: 11-5 (2nd SEC)
Non-League Record: 9-4
Home Record: 15-2
Away Record: 4-6
Neutral Record: 1-1
Total Non-Home Record: 5-7
Last 10 Record: 7-3
Vs. Top 25: 0-3
Vs. 25-50 1-1
Vs. Top 50: 1-4
Vs. 51-100: 5-5
Vs. Top 100: 6-9
Vs. 101+: 14-0
Best Wins: H-Missouri (RPI #32), H-Tennessee (#56), @Ole Miss (#57)
Worst Losses: H-Texas A&M (#85), @Arkansas (#82), H-Baylor (#70)
Notes: Defending NCAA champion (not a factor the NCAA committee is supposed to consider-2007 Champ Florida and Runnerup OSU not make 2008 tournament. 2009 Champ UNC not make 2010 tournament). Home losses to Texas A&M and Baylor not help at all. Played #4 Louisville close on the road (L 77-80). Bad record vs. top 100.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Slight edge to Akron over the other two, and UC over UK. but Akron is in the MAC so it doesnt matter. If they dont win the MAC tourney they are effed.
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Cincinnati, easily. Better wins against better competition and they would beat the other 2 teams on a neutral floor. Akron and UK would have trouble scoring against UC's defense.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| bluesman wrote: | | Slight edge to Akron over the other two, and UC over UK. but Akron is in the MAC so it doesnt matter. If they dont win the MAC tourney they are effed. |
=>Same way I feel. Akron has the best record vs. the top 100. Akron's 2 bad losses are REALLY bad though.
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At this point, I would say U.C.; however if Akron were to make to the MAC Championship game and if U.C. lost early in Big East tourney, I might switch that to Akron.
Kentucky, uh-Big NO.
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UC has the best resume of the three.
Kentucky would be next.
Akron's "best" wins are worse than either UC or UK, and Akron's "worse" losses are FAR worse than either UC or UK.
Plus, both UC and UK have played a substantially more difficult schedule than Akron.
Akron wouldn't be above 17 wins in either the Big East or SEC.
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I voted like the NCAA, which of these teams will sell the most tickets in the most far outpost of the tournament? These fans would rather go homeless and let their trailer get reposed if it meant being able to see their beloved wildcats play one game in Ogden, UT.
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Remember Akron's first loss of the year was with 2 of their best players suspended.
| Quote: | | Akron wouldn't be above 17 wins in either the Big East or SEC |
I disagree with this on the SEC. I think Akron would win the SEC West.
Curious TD if you have seen Akron play?
They are a pretty complete team. They have a legit 7 footer that can play. They have a PF in the mold of Devin Davis. They have some shooters. Their PG is good. Heck their backup Center is a transfer from West Virginia that would certainly start for us.
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I am with Red Sea. The committee should cut them some slack on those first two losses. To me they are clearly a better team than UK is now, and maybe about the same as UC.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| trumpetdaddy wrote: | UC has the best resume of the three.
Kentucky would be next.
Akron's "best" wins are worse than either UC or UK, and Akron's "worse" losses are FAR worse than either UC or UK.
Plus, both UC and UK have played a substantially more difficult schedule than Akron.
Akron wouldn't be above 17 wins in either the Big East or SEC. |
=>The thing about UK is UK only has 1 more top 100 win than Akron, but have 2 more top 100 losses. Akron has a winning record vs. the top 100 (4-3) and UK has a .500 record (5-5).
Akron does have the 2 bad losses, but they were on the road. Akron has to play many more bad teams and has to play them on the road. So there is a greater chance of having bad losses because of both the volume of games vs. bad teams and even "quality" (a home team is statistically 8 points better than a road team) of the bad team that Akron plays. UK and UC play less bad teams and when they do, they play them do so at home.
No matter which of the 3 one picks, it is a pretty tough call.
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RedSea,
There is no more SEC West for basketball. They did away with divisions starting with the 2011-12 season.
The only conferences that still use divisions are MAC, Big South, Southern, Sun Belt, and OVC.
The MAC has made the divisions obsolete now since it does not impact seeding for conference tournament.
The Big South sticks to the old format where seeding is based solely on division finish (2 #1 seeds, 2 #2 seeds, 2 #3 seeds, etc.).
The OVC, Southern, and Sun Belt do it the way the MAC did until last year (#1 overall is #1 seed, the other division champ is #2 seed, and seeds #3 on down are based on overall conference record).
Those that once had divisions but did away with them at some point are A10, Atlantic Sun, Big East, B12, CUSA (had 3 division the first 3 years of the league), SEC, and WAC. There may be others that I cannot think of.
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Based on the resumes it is pretty clear it should be UC
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I thought Akron played John Carroll which I don't believe is Div. I
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UC is the best out of the 3 in my opinion when given the 'eye test'
You look at Akron's 3 best wins and they don't jump off the page at you like UCs does. If it was down to a spot between the 3 teams, I think i'd award UC with it
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UC
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| I am 4Hawks wrote: | | I thought Akron played John Carroll which I don't believe is Div. I |
Correct. It's not counted in their official win total for tournament consideration purposes.
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=>Compare like opponents:
A. Akron-UC
No shared opponents.
B. Akron-UK
1) vs. EMU
UK won at home 90-38
Akron won on road 70-62
C. UK-UC
1) vs. Alabama
UK lost on road 55-59
UC won at home 58-56
2) vs. Notre Dame
UK lost on road 50-64
UC lost at home 60-66 and lost on road 41-62
3) vs. Marshall
UK won at home 82-54
UC won on semi-road (in Charleston, W.V.) 72-56
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| trumpetdaddy wrote: | UC has the best resume of the three.
Kentucky would be next.
Akron's "best" wins are worse than either UC or UK, and Akron's "worse" losses are FAR worse than either UC or UK.
Plus, both UC and UK have played a substantially more difficult schedule than Akron.
Akron wouldn't be above 17 wins in either the Big East or SEC. |
I think Akron would have done quite well in the SEC and I think they would have won at least 17 games having watched them play about 5 or so games this year.
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| bluesman wrote: | | trumpetdaddy wrote: | UC has the best resume of the three.
Kentucky would be next.
Akron's "best" wins are worse than either UC or UK, and Akron's "worse" losses are FAR worse than either UC or UK.
Plus, both UC and UK have played a substantially more difficult schedule than Akron.
Akron wouldn't be above 17 wins in either the Big East or SEC. |
I think Akron would have done quite well in the SEC and I think they would have won at least 17 games having watched them play about 5 or so games this year. |
I agree Akron wouldve done very well in the SEC. I'm basing that on having seen most SEC teams play. The SEC is brutal this year.
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| UC by a good margin. Lots of good wins. |
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