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| elpalito wrote: | | mollautt wrote: | | elpalito wrote: | Hm.
Fewer league opponents. More room for OOC games. Perhaps big money OOC games... means less need for Bataan Death March in basketball...
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=>I'd go the opposite direction. Contract to 10 teams and play a full 18 game round robin home and home schedule like we had in the mid-90s. |
Oh. I was only thinking of the football team. They'd have more OOC games, which could be against bigger teams as fodder... increasing football's income while lower the need for bball to go be fodder themselves. |
and give up on the non-prime time TV revenue from the MACC? NO WAY!..... 
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| HighStreetBlues wrote: | | mollautt wrote: | | elpalito wrote: | Hm.
Fewer league opponents. More room for OOC games. Perhaps big money OOC games... means less need for Bataan Death March in basketball...
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=>I'd go the opposite direction. Contract to 10 teams and play a full 18 game round robin home and home schedule like we had in the mid-90s. |
So kick out EMU and who else?
I could see this helping basketball and a few of the non-rev sports because they could shorten some travel, but how would football work?
Also, would a smaller footprint hurt us?
Personally, I want to commit the nonexistent funds over the next few years to being a legit candidate for the Big East split coming in the next few years. |
=>Football would work the way it did in the mid-90s. 8 game schedule with 1 team you do not play. That is how the MAC did it back then. The Big 10 was doing that with 11 teams (not play 2 teams each season) before Nebraska joined to make divisions.
The MAC could also just play a full 9 game complete round robin schedule. Sure, half the teams would end up playing the extra road game, but the PAC 10 used to do it that way before this expansion garbage I believe. That is how the Big XII did it this year with 10 teams.
I really do love the MACC. It is fun. But I want Miami to get back to winning more league titles. Less teams gives greater access to title chances. People remember championship years. They don't remember the number of teams in the conference in those years.
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=>Georgia State (Ron Hunter) of the CAA is moving to the Sun Belt.
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| mollautt wrote: | | =>Georgia State (Ron Hunter) of the CAA is moving to the Sun Belt. |
What?! Fast-track them to the MAC! |
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| mollautt wrote: | | elpalito wrote: | Hm.
Fewer league opponents. More room for OOC games. Perhaps big money OOC games... means less need for Bataan Death March in basketball...
There are possibilities here... |
=>I'd go the opposite direction. Contract to 10 teams and play a full 18 game round robin home and home schedule like we had in the mid-90s. |
Going back through history, it was always the addition of a national power to a conference that was the tipping point to becoming a great league. Think ACC football adding Florida State which brought that league to a whole new level.
I don't think what the EMU's or Akron's do is that important to the overall reputation of the MAC. When Northwestern had that atrocious losing streak in the early 80's it didn't sully the Big Ten's reputation.
That is why I like the idea of just adding a couple schools on the top end for football....James Madison and Appalachian State...schools that are going to be very competitive recruiting ACC country and add to the overall strength of the MAC.
I realize that having a strong JMU and ASU may push my Ohio further down the list in the MAC East but I'm okay with that. Quite frankly the East is too easy for us right now with 3 titles in 6 years and 2 other years only missing the east title by 1 game.
I'd rather risk an additional conference loss if it would mean better computer ratings overall for the team.
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| though earlier reports strongly denied, lenn robbins, sports writer for new york post tweets that George Mason and VCU are heading to the A-10 may 1. Butler maybe |
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| More and more sources saying it's a done deal. |
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Reports that WAC about to lose Texas State (formerly Southland Conference) & University of Texas-San Antonio (formerly Southland Conference) to the Sun Belt
Tony Jones of the Salt Lake Tribune confirmed Utah State and San Jose State will join the Mountain West Conference. Louisiana Tech is also on the verge of becoming a member of Conference USA.
"Coupled with Texas-San Antonio's recent defection from the WAC to C-USA -- the school had not yet played a game in the onetime conference home to Utah, BYU, New Mexico, San Diego State and others -- the WAC may soon cease to exist as a football entity," Jones wrote.
The two programs still remaining in what's left of the league is Idaho and New Mexico State. Each will have to find a new home.
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Who are the closest members of the WAC to the MAC footprint that might make sense in more than just football for sports? (any with a potential hockey team we could try to back to get into our new conference then too?)
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| MrG wrote: | | Who are the closest members of the WAC to the MAC footprint that might make sense in more than just football for sports? (any with a potential hockey team we could try to back to get into our new conference then too?) |
None. |
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CUSA adding 6
| Quote: | | Florida International, Louisiana Tech, North Texas, Texas San Antonio, Charlotte and Old Dominion will join C-USA giving the league 14 members. However, it's not clear how soon after 2013 Charlotte, which is beginning its football program in 2013, and ODU, currently in the FCS, would be able to compete as a C-USA football member. |
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/brett-mcmurphy/18923863
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I got a feeling James Madison and Appalachian State will soon be in the MAC along with possibly UMass all-sports.
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WAC is history. I have to wonder how stable Sun Belt will be as well. For good or bad, MAC has remained relatively stable except for Temple, and relatively quiet.
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| Miami, (Oh)-Yeah ! wrote: | | I got a feeling James Madison and Appalachian State will soon be in the MAC along with possibly UMass all-sports. |
Maybe JMU or App State, but don't think both. That would put the MAC at 15 schools.
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| mpurdy22 wrote: | | Miami, (Oh)-Yeah ! wrote: | | I got a feeling James Madison and Appalachian State will soon be in the MAC along with possibly UMass all-sports. |
Maybe JMU or App State, but don't think both. That would put the MAC at 15 schools. |
isnt the A-10 trolling right now? they will have to replace temple and charlotte. i know that butler is supposedly headed there....but wouldnt it make more sense for JMU to go to a better basketball conference and not have to upgrade to I-A in FB?
and if the sun belt is going to survive, i'd think appy state would top their list....
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Indianapolis Star is reporting that the Butler move to the A-10 for basketball is official. |
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| HawkLBacker wrote: | | mpurdy22 wrote: | | Miami, (Oh)-Yeah ! wrote: | | I got a feeling James Madison and Appalachian State will soon be in the MAC along with possibly UMass all-sports. |
Maybe JMU or App State, but don't think both. That would put the MAC at 15 schools. |
isnt the A-10 trolling right now? they will have to replace temple and charlotte. i know that butler is supposedly headed there....but wouldnt it make more sense for JMU to go to a better basketball conference and not have to upgrade to I-A in FB?
and if the sun belt is going to survive, i'd think appy state would top their list.... |
Sounds as though the A10 is going after VCU & George Mason (along with Butler) to fill spots
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| NickSkin wrote: | | HawkLBacker wrote: | | mpurdy22 wrote: | | Miami, (Oh)-Yeah ! wrote: | | I got a feeling James Madison and Appalachian State will soon be in the MAC along with possibly UMass all-sports. |
Maybe JMU or App State, but don't think both. That would put the MAC at 15 schools. |
isnt the A-10 trolling right now? they will have to replace temple and charlotte. i know that butler is supposedly headed there....but wouldnt it make more sense for JMU to go to a better basketball conference and not have to upgrade to I-A in FB?
and if the sun belt is going to survive, i'd think appy state would top their list.... |
probably better choices for a bball only conference....
Sounds as though the A10 is going after VCU & George Mason (along with Butler) to fill spots |
vcu and gmu probably make better sense to a bball only conference....
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New Changes:
CONFERENCE USA (14 teams)
Charlotte (formerly A10)
East Carolina
Florida International (formerly Sun Belt)
La. Tech (formerly WAC)
Marshall
North Texas (formerly Sun Belt)
Old Dominion (formerly CAA)
Rice
Southern Miss
Tulane
Tulsa
UAB
UTEP
UTSA (formerly Southland Conf.,/WAC)
LOST(4): SMU, Houston, UCF, Memphis
ADD (6):Florida International, La. Tech, UTSA, Old Dominion, Charlotte
MOUNTAIN WEST (10 teams)
Air Force
Colorado State
Fresno State (formerly WAC)
Hawaii* (formerly WAC)
Nevada (formerly WAC)
New Mexico
San Jose State (formerly WAC)
UNLV
Utah State (formerly WAC)
Wyoming
ADD (4): Boise (2011), Fresno State(2012), Nevada(2012), Hawaii (2012), San Jose State, Utah State
LOST (5): Boise (2012), Sand Diego State (2012), Utah(2011), BYU (2011), T.C.U (2012)
*football only (Other sports in Big West)
SUN BELT (9 teams)
Arkansas State
Florida Atlantic
Georgia State (formerly CAA)
Louisiana-Lafayette
Louisiana-Monroe
Middle Tennessee State
Texas State (formerly WAC)
Troy
Western Kentucky
ADD (2): Georgia State, Texas State
LOST (2): FIU, North Texas
WAC (2 teams for Football/4 teams for Basketball)
Idaho
New Mexico State
Seattle (formerly Independent)
University of Denver (formerly Sun Belt)
ADD (2 FB/2BB): UTSA (2012), Texas State (2012), Denver (2012), Seattle (2012)
LOST (9): Boise, Fresno State, Nevada, Hawaii, La. Tech, University of Texas-San Antonio, Utah State, San Jose State, Texas State
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If the MAC exercises the all-in or done in 2 years clause with UMass to join all-sports, how could UMass refuse that? If they did, wouldn't they risk ruining their new FBS football team?
Now that nearly every FBS football conference has tipped their hand and reloaded, where else could UMass take their football team? Even the FCS CAA that they just came from is now at risk of going extinct like the WAC. There is no guarantee that UMass football doesn't lose a lot of games the next 2 years and scares a potential conference away like when WKU went 0-12 its first year and then won 2 the next.
CAA - Could be done
WAC - Done
CUSA - at 14 teams, No Vacancy
Big East - No Vacancy and Villanova on deck in the East
Sun Belt - at 15 teams, no vacancy, not better than the MAC in fb or bb
In any scenario, UMass will be leaving the A-10 in a year (CUSA, Big East, or anybody else won't take them football only), so why not break away from the A-10 now instead of a year from now if MAC exercises the clause?
There were 3 FBS aspiring teams in the A-10 who wants to just focus on basketball only members and two are already gone (Temple and Charlotte), I think UMass is next. I think the A-10 knew this and proactively talked to Butler, VCU, and Mason as the 3 replacements. When UMass leaves the A-10, then they will be back at their original number of 14 where they want to be, why else would they invite 3 teams to get to 15?
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Oakland, currently in the Summit League, is looking to move up to the Horizon league.
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120502/SPORTS0203/205020437/1361/Oakland-‘definitely-interested’-in-move-to-Horizon-League
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Dan McCarney reports that UTSA Board of Regents has approved move to CUSA. Interestingly, he suggests that UTSA had also received invitations to join the Sun Belt and Mountain West.
Apparently the MAC was not interested in UTSA
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Bud Winters reports that IDAHO may go independent in football and having its other sports compete in the WAC, hoping in the long term for a safer spot in a convoluted landscape.
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Jon Wilner (@wilnerhotline) tweets that NEW MEXICO STATE may be a target for the Sun Belt Conference
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Nick - I think you are missing L-Lafayette in Sun Belt?
Obviously I am running out of things to do as I watch students take an exam. |
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I'm OK with this, and I'd be glad to see Northern Kentucky and one mor team in Indiana, like IUPUI join the Horizon League as well.
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