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nyredhawk
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Oh Moll...Jewish jokes in this thread? Really?
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| In the 60's it was common knowledge that Sigma Chi had restrictive covenants. If you were Jewish you knew you were not welcome. That kind of institutional exclusion would be a big deal today, but at the time was just accepted. Why go where you're not wanted? |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| Come on nyredhawk, Moll's tag line at the bottom of his post is funny. He can add me to the list. I didn't realize this forum was crawling with so many Jews. How about a separate discussion category for Sammy alums only? |
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nyredhawk
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:27 am Post subject: |
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um, that attitude pervaded Miami back then and was an unneccessary roadblock. That is the same attitude that explains why to this day Miami has a such a pathetic record at racial diversity.
I live in Westchester County, north of NYC and there are still country and yacht clubs that refuse to diversify. When I was a NY Post reporter I enjoyed doing stories on places like that.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| nyredhawk wrote: | | Oh Moll...Jewish jokes in this thread? Really? |
=>Really! 
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| outlier, Sigma Chi was one. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:39 am Post subject: |
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Moll has his insensitive joke thread. The OP clearly showed a sensitivity to anti-semitism. Why make a lame joke here? So far as I know, I'm the only puerto rican or native Spanish speaker and also don't get why moll sometimes tosses out his rebuttals, petty jokes and insults at me in Spanish.
If something offends or is a sensitive topic, it is not the fault of the offended.
Just sayin'. I am a bit bored waiting for my car to get out of the shop. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| redbear18 wrote: | | outlier, Sigma Chi was one. |
I wasn't in the Greek system but I can agree. Most Greeks I knew were more into community service than anything. |
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mollautt
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=>I am just an awful hate filled bigot. Right up there with the worst bigots off our time: Hitler, George Wallace, David Duke, Jesse Jackson, and mollautt. I just signed up for sensitivity training. I will learn tolerance.
nyredhawk,
It was a joke at the Free YanksAlex movement (Alex being Jewish) using your story as vehicle to get to the punchline, it is not really a "Jewish" joke.
elpalito,
You are very wrong about something, if someone is offended, it can be the fault of the offended. There is such a thing as being hypersensitive. We see it every day.
I thought you liked the occassional Spanish. No more espanol for you then!
I'm a native English speaker, but I do not complain when you toss out rebuttals, petty jokes and insults at me in English. 
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| nyredhawk wrote: | um, that attitude pervaded Miami back then and was an unneccessary roadblock. That is the same attitude that explains why to this day Miami has a such a pathetic record at racial diversity.
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Increasing diversity rates without using quota or point systems is pretty difficult when the majority of your applicants are white, but increasing the number of minority students is a very high priority of the current administration (i.e. the Bridges program).
There is a (imo, incorrect) perception among many prospective minority students that Miami, and more specificlly, Oxford, is an overtly racist enviorment. That attitude can make it very difficult to sell those students on the school, and ultimatley they are more likley to chose another university where they feel more comftorable - nevertheless the minority rate rose quite a bit (5%?) during my four years as a student, so it's moving in the right direction.
I'm white so I can't attest to anything personally, but I was friends with or lived with a number of minority students and they would likley laugh in my face if I asked them about being discriminated against during their time in Oxford. To be fair, very few of them were greek. I'm not doubting there were problems in the 70's, but I just don't think it's an issue in 2012.
Being named the best university to send your white child by the "Skinhead Neo-Nazi Liberation Army" (or whatever their name is) every year doesn't do much to help to curb that image though.
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nyredhawk
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Moll,
My response to you was a joke. But as for your comment on hypersensitivity, you know damned well you can't define others reaction to racial chatter. I don't know what kind of law you practice or where you actually do, but here in New York if you made those remarks in say the Bronx County Courthouse someone would lay you out...and the court officers would be laughing as you lay there on the marble floor with your eyes rolled back in your head.
As for members of Sigma Chi back in my day, there was no excuse for their attitudes and behavior, none whatsoever.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| nyredhawk wrote: | | I don't know what kind of law you practice or where you actually do, but here in New York if you made those remarks in say the Bronx County Courthouse someone would lay you out...and the court officers would be laughing as you lay there on the marble floor with your eyes rolled back in your head. |
=>That sounds disgusting. Sounds like the Bronx County Courthouse is a pretty sh!tty place to practice law and is run by pretty sh!tty people.
Where I practice law in SW Ohio, we are all pretty cordial and nice to each other. We don't have Jewish lawyers punching out Catholic lawyers. We don't have Catholic lawyers punching out Methodist lawyers. We don't have Methodist lawyers punching out Jewish lawyers. We really don't have any violence in the courthouse of any kind among the attorneys. No racial violence, no ethnic violence, and no religious violence. And if violence did break out, the court officers would not be total douchebags like in the Bronx County Courthouse and laugh, they would do something about it.
In SW Ohio, we pretty much treat our fellow attorneys the way we want to be treated. That is not to say there are not individual jerks, but nobody is violent.
Again, sounds like the Bronx County Courthouse is a pretty sh!tty place to practice law and is run by pretty sh!tty people.
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I covered the courthouse for 17 years and never found it a crappy place. I imagine your court experiences don't mirror the diversity of New York.
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| elpalito wrote: | Moll has his insensitive joke thread. The OP clearly showed a sensitivity to anti-semitism. Why make a lame joke here? So far as I know, I'm the only puerto rican or native Spanish speaker and also don't get why moll sometimes tosses out his rebuttals, petty jokes and insults at me in Spanish.
If something offends or is a sensitive topic, it is not the fault of the offended.
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Hmm I'm not latin american, but I am a native spanish and portuguese speaker... I learned both at the same time I did english and was raised in south america... so NYAH NYAH ! 
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| nyredhawk wrote: | | I covered the courthouse for 17 years and never found it a crappy place. I imagine your court experiences don't mirror the diversity of New York. |
=>Beating people up and having court personnel laugh at it would be considered pretty crappy by SW Ohio standards. We are just used to a different, more peaceful experience I guess.
As for diversity, it is a pretty diverse place. Lots of black attorneys. Not many Asian attorneys.
There are THOUSANDS of Jewish attorneys. In fact, the last three law firms I have worked for, including the firm I am at now, are all owned and managed 100% by Jews. As far as I can recall, none of them have a propensity to violence and treat everyone with respect.
We just all get along in SW Ohio without the need for senseless violence.
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Moll,
I never hit anyone in a courthouse.....it is kind of interesting that you seem a bit hypersensitive about yourself. I never called you a racist or anti-semite. Why so defensive?
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| nyredhawk wrote: | Moll,
I never hit anyone in a courthouse.....it is kind of interesting that you seem a bit hypersensitive about yourself. I never called you a racist or anti-semite. Why so defensive? |
=>You brought up the climate that surrounds the area where I work and described the climate of the Bronx County Courthouse. So I followed your lead with my own commentary that where I practice law is a nicer, less crappy, place to work because people are not punching each other while others laugh. Then you brought up the issue of diversity of the two areas SO I talked about the diversity in SW Ohio. All topics were brought up by you, not me.
I am not sure how discussing the climates of the Bronx vs. SW Ohio, an issue you raised, is being hypersensitive about my myself or defensive. In fact, in this discussion I have not even been talking about myself, just the environment for which I work.
You didn't call me a bigot, but elpalito insinuated it (or at least that I have been targeting him because of ethnicity).
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Really?
A bunch of old dudes yapping about who would or would not be punched out in which courthouse is almost a new level of comedy gold.
And by "comedy gold," I mean "dumb beyond measure."
Can we get back to what a bunch of clueless douchebags the Sigma Chis are?
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No, Moll, he implied you were insensitive.........making jokes about others' ethnicity or religion is pretty textbook.
About the Bronx Courthouse......nothing like that ever happened. What I was trying to convey is that being a smartass about race around here would result in people getting in your face. I assume minorities in Hamilton and Butler counties would not feel empowered to express their outrage over stupid and vapid remarks.
You know I am right about this so why are you still commenting? Words can hurt. Being a minority at lily white Miami requires patience. You really can't argue that.
You write and report well on high school and college athletics and deserve respect for that. Making those other comments denigrates your other skills so maybe you should learn something and move on.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| This thread is stupid and the only logical conclusion is for nyredhawk and Moll to step into the octagon. |
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=>Learn what? I already get that racially/ethnic/religious based insensitive remarks can be hurtful and wrong.
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| trumpetdaddy wrote: |
Can we get back to what a bunch of clueless douchebags the Sigma Chis are? |
Agreed.
I guess what I'm confused about is the point nyredhawk is still trying to make. I completely sympathize with his experiences and think it was disgusting. But it was nearly 40 years ago and this thread has almost universally been condemning the Sigma Chis for being varying levels of douchebag over the years. But we repeatedly have had more stories brought up about experienced anti-Semitism in almost challenging/contentious fashion, despite multiple people saying, thankfully, that such a sentiment no longer exists on campus. Hell, AEPi through some of the best parties cause they welcomed everyone to their overflowing supplies of alcohol and as a result had some of the most fun and diverse parties I've been to.
So bottom line for me, Sigma Chi sucks and is a pathetic outlier and the current "acceptance" atmosphere is very good despite what diversity attendance numbers might suggest.
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My last few responses have been limited to Moll. I am pleased Miami's Greek system is no longer riven with intolerance. I am not beating this dead horse anymore. Just want Moll to take responsibility for what he wrote.
If anyone would like to continue on this subject away from this site, I am open to it.
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=>I accept full responsibility for what I wrote. 
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