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| This is the worst day to be a bracket in the history of the world. |
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| DeSalesRedhawk12 wrote: | | This is the worst day to be a bracket in the history of the world. |
My parents' male beagle disagrees. He correctly picked OU, Norfolk State, and Lehigh, resulting in 35 bonus points (based on seed differentials in upsets: 13 bonus points for a 15 over a 2, 9 for a 13 over a 4) to take a commanding lead in my family's pool.
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| muhawk wrote: | | DeSalesRedhawk12 wrote: | | This is the worst day to be a bracket in the history of the world. |
My parents' male beagle disagrees. He correctly picked OU, Norfolk State and Lehigh, resulting in 35 bonus points (based on seed differentials in upsets) to take a commanding lead in my family's pool. |
Damn, my male beagle just pees on the carpet. |
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OU wins and Duke loses. Somewhere Devilgrad is beating his kids.  |
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muhawk
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| Bash Riprock wrote: | | muhawk wrote: | | DeSalesRedhawk12 wrote: | | This is the worst day to be a bracket in the history of the world. |
My parents' male beagle disagrees. He correctly picked OU, Norfolk State and Lehigh, resulting in 35 bonus points (based on seed differentials in upsets) to take a commanding lead in my family's pool. |
Damn, my male beagle just pees on the carpet. |
His sister actually also picked Lehigh and OU but she doesn't have as many potential points in the upcoming rounds. FTR, the male selected Indiana to win the whole thing while the female picked Murray State.
EDIT: Check that. The female actually has more potential points. But the male is so far ahead that it may not matter.
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| muhawk wrote: | | Bash Riprock wrote: | | muhawk wrote: | | DeSalesRedhawk12 wrote: | | This is the worst day to be a bracket in the history of the world. |
My parents' male beagle disagrees. He correctly picked OU, Norfolk State and Lehigh, resulting in 35 bonus points (based on seed differentials in upsets) to take a commanding lead in my family's pool. |
Damn, my male beagle just pees on the carpet. |
His sister actually also picked Lehigh and OU but she doesn't have as many potential points in the upcoming rounds. FTR, the male selected Indiana to win the whole thing while the female picked Murray State. |
I like the cut of his jib. |
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| My cat just looked at me as if the whole tournament was beneath her. |
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DeSalesRedhawk12
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| muhawk wrote: | | DeSalesRedhawk12 wrote: | | This is the worst day to be a bracket in the history of the world. |
My parents' male beagle disagrees. He correctly picked OU, Norfolk State, and Lehigh, resulting in 35 bonus points (based on seed differentials in upsets: 13 bonus points for a 15 over a 2, 9 for a 13 over a 4) to take a commanding lead in my family's pool. |
I mean, I did have this bracket in the SportsPickle fail pool. And just for reference...Detroit IS currently leading. If only Asheville hadn't gotten screwed yesterday...
http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/en/entry?entryID=1717877 |
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Jay Bias from ESPN and former Dukie had this karma coming. He did nothing on Mike & Mike this morning but bash UNC-Asheville and essentially tell the listeners that Asheville didn't deserve to be on the same floor with Syracuse last night. Tonight, karma came roaring back at him.
I called my friend who's a big UNC fan and I told him all that was missing with the last few free throws by Lehigh was Billy Packer wondering onto the court in a drunken haze, screaming about the refs being out of position and making bad calls against the ACC and college basketball in general. Meanwhile Jim Nantz was crapping his pants, realizing he knew absolutely nothing about Lehigh and secretly cried with Coach K in the hallways outside the Duke dressing room.
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| Cookie Monster wrote: | Jay Bias from ESPN and former Dukie had this karma coming. He did nothing on Mike & Mike this morning but bash UNC-Asheville and essentially tell the listeners that Asheville didn't deserve to be on the same floor with Syracuse last night. Tonight, karma came roaring back at him.
I called my friend who's a big UNC fan and I told him all that was missing with the last few free throws by Lehigh was Billy Packer wondering onto the court in a drunken haze, screaming about the refs being out of position and making bad calls against the ACC and college basketball in general. Meanwhile Jim Nantz was crapping his pants, realizing he knew absolutely nothing about Lehigh and secretly cried with Coach K in the hallways outside the Duke dressing room. |
Has anyone seen Dickie V? |
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2 15s
1 13
2 12s
2 11s
2 10s
Were these all in day 2?
14 seeds just didn't try this year. |
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| elpalito wrote: | | Cookie Monster wrote: | Jay Bias from ESPN and former Dukie had this karma coming. He did nothing on Mike & Mike this morning but bash UNC-Asheville and essentially tell the listeners that Asheville didn't deserve to be on the same floor with Syracuse last night. Tonight, karma came roaring back at him.
I called my friend who's a big UNC fan and I told him all that was missing with the last few free throws by Lehigh was Billy Packer wondering onto the court in a drunken haze, screaming about the refs being out of position and making bad calls against the ACC and college basketball in general. Meanwhile Jim Nantz was crapping his pants, realizing he knew absolutely nothing about Lehigh and secretly cried with Coach K in the hallways outside the Duke dressing room. |
Has anyone seen Dickie V? |
Let me post a quote from an ESPN article, which is the same line of crap Dickie "DUKE DUKE DUKE DUKE DUKE" V has been having a love fest over every fricking year. I heard this same exact line from him this morning and almost threw up. It's just another excuse when a superior team beats the name brand.
| Mark Schlabach wrote: | | This certainly wasn't one of Krzyzewski's best teams, but the Blue Devils could never have expected to lose their first game of the tournament. Sure, Duke played without junior forward Ryan Kelly, its third-leading scorer and rebounder, who missed his third consecutive game with a foot injury. But the Devils also shot 6-for-26 on 3-pointers and had 12 turnovers. |
They've heard of C.J. McCollum now
Make excuses when the big name gets their ass handed to them. No love for the mid majors all year until the tournament, or that bastardized "Bracket Busters" BS the mothership keeps burying farther and farther into their networks until it'll only be online. It's sad, it's pathetic, it's the same "We told ya so" we post on this board every year because the mothership and media won't get off their candy asses to come to Oxford on a snowy Saturday afternoon. Oh no! College Gameday for basketball has to go to the same 10 schools every season, except this year they went to Murray State only because they were kicking the crap out of everyone.
In a perfect world, Iowa State knocks off Kentucky and the Commonwealth reverts back to their blue skinned inbred selves on Troublesome Creek, Ohio U keeps winning, Kansas State sends Syracuse packing, and Majerius finds enough time to stop defecating into a towel to plan the Billikens upset of Michigan State. Norfolk State wins on, VCU wrecks everything again, Gonzaga knocks off tOsu, & the Blue Jays stop the Tar Heels. Also, Kansas blows it early like they tend to do.
It's nice to dream.
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Hey! I made Cookie Monster's signature line!
Anyhow.... here's something to ponder. Upsets and deep tournament runs by mid-majors seem to be on the rise over the last few years, yet in some years few mid-majors receive at-large bids and few mid-majors are seeded higher than 9 or 10. Are the selection/seeding committees simply clueless or do they suffer from "Jay Bilas" disease? |
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| Bash Riprock wrote: | Hey! I made Cookie Monster's signature line!
Anyhow.... here's something to ponder. Upsets and deep tournament runs by mid-majors seem to be on the rise over the last few years, yet in some years few mid-majors receive at-large bids and few mid-majors are seeded higher than 9 or 10. Are the selection/seeding committees simply clueless or do they suffer from "Jay Bilas" disease? |
I think it goes back to the colleges not willing to schedule home-and-homes with the good mid-majors because they don't want to look bad if they lose to them, and they want to make more money by constantly inviting the low majors to their place and handing them a check while they beat the tar out of them and bring in a lot of revenue. So when it comes to looking at the "body of work", the mid-major has a finer line because they don't get the same number of opportunities the high majors do.
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| mz343 wrote: | | Bash Riprock wrote: | Hey! I made Cookie Monster's signature line!
Anyhow.... here's something to ponder. Upsets and deep tournament runs by mid-majors seem to be on the rise over the last few years, yet in some years few mid-majors receive at-large bids and few mid-majors are seeded higher than 9 or 10. Are the selection/seeding committees simply clueless or do they suffer from "Jay Bilas" disease? |
I think it goes back to the colleges not willing to schedule home-and-homes with the good mid-majors because they don't want to look bad if they lose to them, and they want to make more money by constantly inviting the low majors to their place and handing them a check while they beat the tar out of them and bring in a lot of revenue. So when it comes to looking at the "body of work", the mid-major has a finer line because they don't get the same number of opportunities the high majors do. |
I also think its a matter of increased athlete development in high school. Simply put, the overall number of quality players is increasing across the board. Yes, the best programs will still get the best, but the "mid-majors" are getting better players as well.
That and the fact basketball rosters are significantly smaller than most sports.
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but there have been more mid-majors with higher seeds. st mary's, gonzaga, wichita state, unlv, new mexico, murray state, temple, and san diego state in just this season.
Xavier gets good seeds usually.
Are they going to get top 4 seeds? That would be harder because they DO play in weaker leagues often. The teams may be good enough to be a T4 seed, but their opposition IN conference holds them back as much as OOC scheduling.
The real measure is the seeding from 10-12. If midmajors are beating big 6 also-rans for those seeds, then that is a good sign. |
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| mz343 wrote: | | Bash Riprock wrote: | Hey! I made Cookie Monster's signature line!
Anyhow.... here's something to ponder. Upsets and deep tournament runs by mid-majors seem to be on the rise over the last few years, yet in some years few mid-majors receive at-large bids and few mid-majors are seeded higher than 9 or 10. Are the selection/seeding committees simply clueless or do they suffer from "Jay Bilas" disease? |
I think it goes back to the colleges not willing to schedule home-and-homes with the good mid-majors because they don't want to look bad if they lose to them, and they want to make more money by constantly inviting the low majors to their place and handing them a check while they beat the tar out of them and bring in a lot of revenue. So when it comes to looking at the "body of work", the mid-major has a finer line because they don't get the same number of opportunities the high majors do. |
I think it's simply the high majors boosting their league's RPI by scheduling home games against teams they will beat. Yes, the OOC strength of schedule might be low, but since 50% of the RPI is your opponent's record, bad high major teams still go 12-2 OOC by playing nobody, and "look" like a great team to the RPI when their other league schools play them. That 12-2 record gets used to calculate the 50% part of the equation, and more than cancels out the 25% of the opponent's opponents record. I realize what I just wrote probably makes no sense. 
With the higher league RPI, more high majors get in. Miami brings the MAC's RPI down by consistently having a terrible OOC record, even though Miami might be a good team.
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| elpalito wrote: | but there have been more mid-majors with higher seeds. st mary's, gonzaga, wichita state, unlv, new mexico, murray state, temple, and san diego state in just this season.
Xavier gets good seeds usually.
Are they going to get top 4 seeds? That would be harder because they DO play in weaker leagues often. The teams may be good enough to be a T4 seed, but their opposition IN conference holds them back as much as OOC scheduling.
The real measure is the seeding from 10-12. If midmajors are beating big 6 also-rans for those seeds, then that is a good sign. |
Look at the names of those teams in the first paragraph and ask yourself how those teams have done, who they've upset in the tournament in the past 6 seasons, how deep they've got, and who their coach is and you've got your answer how they keep getting in. I'm sure committee members still think John Chaney is coaching the Fighting Cosbys.
The NCAA Tournament is part "What you've done this season?" and part "How have you historically done in the tournament?" Example, last season Michigan St had no right to be in the tourney. Oh, but they've been to two consecutive final 4's. Whoop-dee-do, last season they sucked and should have enjoyed the NIT. Texas and UConn this season? The check's in the mail from the UT alums and the committee has a Viagra induced more-than-4-hours erection for UConn. That moronic big l'east Jay Biasedness (it's a thing now) is what pisses the common fan off. Why in the hell is the population submitted to the same teams, same conferences, same coaching stories, same "traditions", same "rights" as anyone. Shoot, if a team should get in every season it's UCLA. That program has 11 national titles, although the Troublesome Creekers will tell yous that UK has the most. Math has never been a strong point in the Commonwealth, where is a legal "writ" is the past tense of the word "write". UCLA should get grandfathered in under the "Historically Dominant" teams of NCAA Tourney history. Are the Bruins playing in the post season this year?
The tourney will continue to hear it from CBS and ESPN about how they need to have more big teams. If anyone should be on the committee it should be Charles Barkley. The guy doesn't need to look at numbers, just show him game tape, some records, and he does a great job at picking teams throughout. Although we all drank the Duke flavored Kool-Aid this season.
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| So. You agree. When mid-majors start topping the big 6 'also-rans' for the 10-12 seeds, that'll be progress. |
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| Huh. OSU is pretty bad at recognizing pressure... |
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Cookie is more bias than Dickie V and Bilas, just the opposite way.
UConn didn't deserve to be in this year? Please. I'm a huge mid major homer, but you are being ridiculous. Most of the best teams play in the big conferences. The 6th place big ten team is usually better then 2nd place mid major teams. That isn't bias. It's facts.
I think the tourney was put together very well this year. Mid majors getting plenty of respect in seeding and inclusion (Iona anyone?). |
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| HoosierHawk wrote: | Cookie is more bias than Dickie V and Bilas, just the opposite way.
UConn didn't deserve to be in this year? Please. I'm a huge mid major homer, but you are being ridiculous. Most of the best teams play in the big conferences. The 6th place big ten team is usually better then 2nd place mid major teams. That isn't bias. It's facts.
I think the tourney was put together very well this year. Mid majors getting plenty of respect in seeding and inclusion (Iona anyone?). |
UConn deserved to be in the tourney this year? Not a chance. The big l'east is over rated, and without Jim Calhoun being on the bench, they were no better than a middle of the pack MAC team. UConn plays in fear of Jim Calhoun's wrath. Probably make them read a book or something.
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| Cookie Monster wrote: | | HoosierHawk wrote: | Cookie is more bias than Dickie V and Bilas, just the opposite way.
UConn didn't deserve to be in this year? Please. I'm a huge mid major homer, but you are being ridiculous. Most of the best teams play in the big conferences. The 6th place big ten team is usually better then 2nd place mid major teams. That isn't bias. It's facts.
I think the tourney was put together very well this year. Mid majors getting plenty of respect in seeding and inclusion (Iona anyone?). |
UConn deserved to be in the tourney this year? Not a chance. The big l'east is over rated, and without Jim Calhoun being on the bench, they were no better than a middle of the pack MAC team. UConn plays in fear of Jim Calhoun's wrath. Probably make them read a book or something. |
UConn would finish first in the MAC this year. You are being silly. |
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| 3 Big East teams have lost in the first round...but only one of them was a seed upset. |
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