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Due to his posting behavior in the past few weeks, which is part and parcel of a far longer-running pattern, yanksalex has been banned through the end of the football season, if not longer. This decision was unanimously reached by the MHT administration team.
Although MHT and its administrators value the free expression of ideas, this is not /b/; the value of a healthy community of not-very-anonymous people -- usernames or not, huge chunks of people on here know each other personally, because the committed Miami fandom isn't that large -- is not something we underestimate. As the terms of service put it:
| Quote: | | While the administrative team respects and believes in the First Amendment, you are reminded that this board is a privately-owned service and thus is not available as a verbal free-for-all. MiamiHawkTalk.com will tend towards leniency, but will not hesitate to act in a manner that best serves the interests of this service. |
yanksalex's long history of personally attacking and/or provoking other posters -- in the past few weeks, this includes, but is not limited to, comparing MrG's efforts to get veterans to the Army game to masturbation, successfully prodding trumpetdaddy into lashing out at him (a trolling maneuver aptly described by MUHawk0408 as "TD gets legitimately pissed and I can picture Alex sitting there laughing his head off"), and a neverending stream of attempts to bait Dodo into an angry response -- damages the community that MHT has slowly become dating back to the SportsOnly days.
MHT has long prided itself on that sense of community, and the administrators aim to keep it intact. yanksalex's posting privileges have been suspended in the best interests of the site.
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Well, this is turning into an annual event. The cabal should be up in arms soon.
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I'm not going to jump too far into the banning debate because I realize that board moderation is far more arduous and time consuming of an endeavor that some people realize. However, in a "down" time for some major Miami athletics, is it really a good thing to ban one of the more prominent and outspoken posters on this board? He's not a troll, and his attitude/methods may be problematic at times, but I don't think anyone here can doubt his love of Miami athletics. Debates get out of hand on here no doubt, but I don't see any sort of similar moderation when new hockey posters are browbeaten into submission or anonymity by the basketball vs hockey crew. I don't think its just personal insults that make things uncomfortable. There are plenty of people on here that know how to make others feel like trash without personally attacking them. If there was a litany of complaints, I'll defer to your judgment, but the thread itself seemed bemused more than anything.
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| JWags wrote: | | I'm not going to jump too far into the banning debate because I realize that board moderation is far more arduous and time consuming of an endeavor that some people realize. However, in a "down" time for some major Miami athletics, is it really a good thing to ban one of the more prominent and outspoken posters on this board? He's not a troll, and his attitude/methods may be problematic at times, but I don't think anyone here can doubt his love of Miami athletics. Debates get out of hand on here no doubt, but I don't see any sort of similar moderation when new hockey posters are browbeaten into submission or anonymity by the basketball vs hockey crew. I don't think its just personal insults that make things uncomfortable. There are plenty of people on here that know how to make others feel like trash without personally attacking them. If there was a litany of complaints, I'll defer to your judgment, but the thread itself seemed bemused more than anything. |
Agree with JWags...No one can argue Alex's passion and his whole-hearted support of Miami athletics. Anything he says "in the heat of the moment," you can possibly compare to comments made by New York Jets head coach, Rex Ryan. Point being, it's just big hearted passion for the school and its teams.
Do I think Alex deserves to be banned for the entire football season? No. Is a 1 or 2-game suspension appropriate? Maybe.
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| The comments made toward Mr. G were pretty disappointing IMO. I think we all understand and appreciate how big of a fan Alex is, but there has to be a line somewhere. However, I might have to agree with Whalerfan that a 2 week ban might be more appropriate. |
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Were similar bannings handed out to those who called him a effing idiot?
I know its a private board and such, but it'd be nice if the admins could keep their fragile, bruised egos out of it and run the site in a decent manner.
He voiced his opinion that dodo was a blowhard for acting like he had inside info on a grand plan that never materialized? He voiced the opinion (that most others on this board share) that the band is an absolute trainwreck at football games? He voice his opinion that 90% of the time MrG is totally off the rocker (his cats pick football scores!).
These are opinions that 99% of the board share. Show me an instance where he crossed a line that you don't allow the "old sportsonly boys" to cross. Just read the posts from TD and Alex in the band thread and justify Alex as being more combative.
Sure, I lived with him in college and we're friends so clear bias, but this is a better, more interesting board with Alex posting. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: RE: |
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| WhalersFan97 wrote: | | JWags wrote: | | I'm not going to jump too far into the banning debate because I realize that board moderation is far more arduous and time consuming of an endeavor that some people realize. However, in a "down" time for some major Miami athletics, is it really a good thing to ban one of the more prominent and outspoken posters on this board? He's not a troll, and his attitude/methods may be problematic at times, but I don't think anyone here can doubt his love of Miami athletics. Debates get out of hand on here no doubt, but I don't see any sort of similar moderation when new hockey posters are browbeaten into submission or anonymity by the basketball vs hockey crew. I don't think its just personal insults that make things uncomfortable. There are plenty of people on here that know how to make others feel like trash without personally attacking them. If there was a litany of complaints, I'll defer to your judgment, but the thread itself seemed bemused more than anything. |
Agree with JWags...No one can argue Alex's passion and his whole-hearted support of Miami athletics. Anything he says "in the heat of the moment," you can possibly compare to comments made by New York Jets head coach, Rex Ryan. Point being, it's just big hearted passion for the school and its teams.
Do I think Alex deserves to be banned for the entire football season? No. Is a 1 or 2-game suspension appropriate? Maybe. |
"in the heat of the moment" implies some kind of rarity. |
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| elpalito wrote: | | WhalersFan97 wrote: | | JWags wrote: | | I'm not going to jump too far into the banning debate because I realize that board moderation is far more arduous and time consuming of an endeavor that some people realize. However, in a "down" time for some major Miami athletics, is it really a good thing to ban one of the more prominent and outspoken posters on this board? He's not a troll, and his attitude/methods may be problematic at times, but I don't think anyone here can doubt his love of Miami athletics. Debates get out of hand on here no doubt, but I don't see any sort of similar moderation when new hockey posters are browbeaten into submission or anonymity by the basketball vs hockey crew. I don't think its just personal insults that make things uncomfortable. There are plenty of people on here that know how to make others feel like trash without personally attacking them. If there was a litany of complaints, I'll defer to your judgment, but the thread itself seemed bemused more than anything. |
Agree with JWags...No one can argue Alex's passion and his whole-hearted support of Miami athletics. Anything he says "in the heat of the moment," you can possibly compare to comments made by New York Jets head coach, Rex Ryan. Point being, it's just big hearted passion for the school and its teams.
Do I think Alex deserves to be banned for the entire football season? No. Is a 1 or 2-game suspension appropriate? Maybe. |
"in the heat of the moment" implies some kind of rarity. |
El palito means "the fish stick" in Spanish (at least thats what the crappy internet translator says). Can you trust a man that goes by the name of the fish stick? I think not!
Free yanksalex. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| HoosierHawk wrote: | He voice his opinion that 90% of the time MrG is totally off the rocker (his cats pick football scores!).
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: RE: |
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| HoosierHawk wrote: | | elpalito wrote: | | WhalersFan97 wrote: | | JWags wrote: | | I'm not going to jump too far into the banning debate because I realize that board moderation is far more arduous and time consuming of an endeavor that some people realize. However, in a "down" time for some major Miami athletics, is it really a good thing to ban one of the more prominent and outspoken posters on this board? He's not a troll, and his attitude/methods may be problematic at times, but I don't think anyone here can doubt his love of Miami athletics. Debates get out of hand on here no doubt, but I don't see any sort of similar moderation when new hockey posters are browbeaten into submission or anonymity by the basketball vs hockey crew. I don't think its just personal insults that make things uncomfortable. There are plenty of people on here that know how to make others feel like trash without personally attacking them. If there was a litany of complaints, I'll defer to your judgment, but the thread itself seemed bemused more than anything. |
Agree with JWags...No one can argue Alex's passion and his whole-hearted support of Miami athletics. Anything he says "in the heat of the moment," you can possibly compare to comments made by New York Jets head coach, Rex Ryan. Point being, it's just big hearted passion for the school and its teams.
Do I think Alex deserves to be banned for the entire football season? No. Is a 1 or 2-game suspension appropriate? Maybe. |
"in the heat of the moment" implies some kind of rarity. |
El palito means "the fish stick" in Spanish (at least thats what the crappy internet translator says). Can you trust a man that goes by the name of the fish stick? I think not!
Free yanksalex. |
That's an odd translator. lol it actually means 'the little stick'. 
FWIW, i do think season long is a little too long though banning and trimming posts is the only way to 'discipline' on a forum.
It was heated on both sides. Alex is a repeat offender, so a 2-4 game suspension is expected. TD should be held out at least a half.  |
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It is easy not to get banned and hasn't been done lightly through the years.
I don't care if our players in the band are the most talented in the world, I still don't want to listen to them. Many people I know agree, even one who was in the band in the mid 90's.
Now that yanks is banned, Keens FTW. I'll take is his silence as agreement.
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| HoosierHawk wrote: | | elpalito wrote: | | WhalersFan97 wrote: | | JWags wrote: | | I'm not going to jump too far into the banning debate because I realize that board moderation is far more arduous and time consuming of an endeavor that some people realize. However, in a "down" time for some major Miami athletics, is it really a good thing to ban one of the more prominent and outspoken posters on this board? He's not a troll, and his attitude/methods may be problematic at times, but I don't think anyone here can doubt his love of Miami athletics. Debates get out of hand on here no doubt, but I don't see any sort of similar moderation when new hockey posters are browbeaten into submission or anonymity by the basketball vs hockey crew. I don't think its just personal insults that make things uncomfortable. There are plenty of people on here that know how to make others feel like trash without personally attacking them. If there was a litany of complaints, I'll defer to your judgment, but the thread itself seemed bemused more than anything. |
Agree with JWags...No one can argue Alex's passion and his whole-hearted support of Miami athletics. Anything he says "in the heat of the moment," you can possibly compare to comments made by New York Jets head coach, Rex Ryan. Point being, it's just big hearted passion for the school and its teams.
Do I think Alex deserves to be banned for the entire football season? No. Is a 1 or 2-game suspension appropriate? Maybe. |
"in the heat of the moment" implies some kind of rarity. |
El palito means "the fish stick" in Spanish (at least thats what the crappy internet translator says). Can you trust a man that goes by the name of the fish stick? I think not!
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man, some of these guys are softer than our offensive line
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My rambling thoughts:
I've only talked to Alex a few times so I don't really know him that well personally, but I've seen him at many Miami sporting events (which somehow includes almost every road game I've attended in the past five years).
Alex is Miami's most dedicated fan under the age of 35, at least. I truly believe this.
I thought it was misguided at best, idiotic as worst when I heard that the athletic department was warning their interns and employees not to associate themselves with him. Alex brings hoards of fellow Miami grads to every event. Despite what people think of his personality he is a boon for Miami athletics. (None of this really has anything to do with banning him from a private message board, but I guess what I'm trying to say is I think he is often misunderstood).
I think this forum is a better place with Alex around and I'm disappointed to hear that he won't be a part of it.
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| AORedhawk33 wrote: | | man, some of these guys are softer than our offensive line |
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If The Sackman doesn't get banned for wishing death upon me this week, why would Alex get banned for some minor insults?
Sure, the Mr. G thing was cringe-inducing. Trumpetdaddy is always arrogant and condescending and looking for a fight, so why punish Alex for giving it to him? And, the Dodo issue is a non-starter anyway, so who cares?
This board feels stagnant as it is, so we need more posters, not fewer.
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| JohnnyMac wrote: | If The Sackman doesn't get banned for wishing death upon me this week, why would Alex get banned for some minor insults?
Sure, the Mr. G thing was cringe-inducing. Trumpetdaddy is always arrogant and condescending and looking for a fight, so why punish Alex for giving it to him? And, the Dodo issue is a non-starter anyway, so who cares?
This board feels stagnant as it is, so we need more posters, not fewer. |
yea... if yanks got the boot than TrumpetDaddy should for his choice language and remarks in that thread.. or he should grow up and stop acting like a 2nd grader
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| Koheen wrote: | Alex is Miami's most dedicated fan under the age of 35, at least. I truly believe this.
I thought it was misguided at best, idiotic as worst when I heard that the athletic department was warning their interns and employees not to associate themselves with him. Alex brings hoards of fellow Miami grads to every event. Despite what people think of his personality he is a boon for Miami athletics. (None of this really has anything to do with banning him from a private message board, but I guess what I'm trying to say is I think he is often misunderstood).
I think this forum is a better place with Alex around and I'm disappointed to hear that he won't be a part of it. |
I was ready to add my two cents... but Koheen summed it up perfectly, especially the part about Alex being a boon for MU athletics.
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| AORedhawk33 wrote: | | JohnnyMac wrote: | If The Sackman doesn't get banned for wishing death upon me this week, why would Alex get banned for some minor insults?
Sure, the Mr. G thing was cringe-inducing. Trumpetdaddy is always arrogant and condescending and looking for a fight, so why punish Alex for giving it to him? And, the Dodo issue is a non-starter anyway, so who cares?
This board feels stagnant as it is, so we need more posters, not fewer. |
yea... if yanks got the boot than TrumpetDaddy should for his choice language and remarks in that thread.. or he should grow up and stop acting like a 2nd grader |
I have to agree, Alex and TrumpetDaddy both took it to another level in their debate over the band. I have no doubt TD is passionate about the band and doesn't like to hear them be discredited or criticized but his demeanor and posts were just as bad compared to Alex's. I think Alex was more than likely banned again since he is on the multiple offender list on MHT. In this case TD exhibited behavior in the same respects the mods have listed as to why Alex has been banned.
I don't agree on how Alex goes about his arguments most of the time and I feel like he discredits himself when he makes personal attacks against people or at the very least cheapens his argument. However Alex does bring up a lot of valid points that deserve merit I just believe he needs to change his method of making the point. To be fair though both Alex and TD should be banned as they both engaged in behavior not becoming of the board.
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I will add my two cents just because I want to up my post count.
As far as I know, neither Sackman or Trumpet Daddy have been banned before or warned about anything for that matter.
To me the overall civility level has declined greatly on this board since I have been here. First and foremost, we should all recognize that we are here because we are fans of Miami. Yes, the teams have given us a general case of crabbiness, but continual venting or negativity only fosters the downward spiral. I'm not saying everyone should be a pollyanna, just that a little balance goes a long way.
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| bpat wrote: | I will add my two cents just because I want to up my post count.
As far as I know, neither Sackman or Trumpet Daddy have been banned before or warned about anything for that matter.
To me the overall civility level has declined greatly on this board since I have been here. First and foremost, we should all recognize that we are here because we are fans of Miami. Yes, the teams have given us a general case of crabbiness, but continual venting or negativity only fosters the downward spiral. I'm not saying everyone should be a pollyanna, just that a little balance goes a long way.
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My 2 cents: the civility level has declined greatly because of our losing ways in football
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| AORedhawk33 wrote: | | bpat wrote: | I will add my two cents just because I want to up my post count.
As far as I know, neither Sackman or Trumpet Daddy have been banned before or warned about anything for that matter.
To me the overall civility level has declined greatly on this board since I have been here. First and foremost, we should all recognize that we are here because we are fans of Miami. Yes, the teams have given us a general case of crabbiness, but continual venting or negativity only fosters the downward spiral. I'm not saying everyone should be a pollyanna, just that a little balance goes a long way.
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My 2 cents: the civility level has declined greatly because of our losing ways in football |
we've been losing? Damn. According to the homepage we just won a bowlgame the other day. |
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TrumpetDaddy started the name calling in the band thread. Why isn't justice meted out evenly? I don't know Alex, couldn't pick him out of a lineup, but I enjoy his comments.
Another case of someone rocking the serene, insular, cliquish little world you have created. Heaven forbid we have a devil's advocate on board.
For what it's worth, Sackman has never said anything even close enough to the line to be considered for exile. |
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| HoosierHawk wrote: | | elpalito wrote: | | WhalersFan97 wrote: | | JWags wrote: | | I'm not going to jump too far into the banning debate because I realize that board moderation is far more arduous and time consuming of an endeavor that some people realize. However, in a "down" time for some major Miami athletics, is it really a good thing to ban one of the more prominent and outspoken posters on this board? He's not a troll, and his attitude/methods may be problematic at times, but I don't think anyone here can doubt his love of Miami athletics. Debates get out of hand on here no doubt, but I don't see any sort of similar moderation when new hockey posters are browbeaten into submission or anonymity by the basketball vs hockey crew. I don't think its just personal insults that make things uncomfortable. There are plenty of people on here that know how to make others feel like trash without personally attacking them. If there was a litany of complaints, I'll defer to your judgment, but the thread itself seemed bemused more than anything. |
Agree with JWags...No one can argue Alex's passion and his whole-hearted support of Miami athletics. Anything he says "in the heat of the moment," you can possibly compare to comments made by New York Jets head coach, Rex Ryan. Point being, it's just big hearted passion for the school and its teams.
Do I think Alex deserves to be banned for the entire football season? No. Is a 1 or 2-game suspension appropriate? Maybe. |
"in the heat of the moment" implies some kind of rarity. |
El palito means "the fish stick" in Spanish (at least thats what the crappy internet translator says). Can you trust a man that goes by the name of the fish stick? I think not!
Free yanksalex. |
=>Do you like fish sticks?
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