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=>I didn't know Butler had a better system than Miami. Butler plays all that zone you know! 
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hear that a decision should be made by next Mon...would be a great add to the program!
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Governor1, since you know the decision date, do you have an inside track as to his decision?
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Word back in connersville - is that its between what has already been mentioned on the board - Purdue is starting to show more interest - however they are having another kid sign on Monday thus giving them one left. Once this takes place - i think Matt drops on the Purdue list. See the INdystar yesterday or today for the story about Purdue's recruiting. My guess is that it is between Miami Ohio and Butler. Miami is only 20-30 min from his home (i believe) or a very short distance - while Butler is still over an hour. Who knows how this will play out... My guess is that the BU coaches have been following this kid everywhere he goes... hopefully he will see the light at the end of the tunnel and choose butler. The Butler system is better than Miami. This kid is pretty damn good - I like the job coach lick is doing - hopefully we can land this kid!
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Out of curiosity, I did a MapQuest on Connersville-Indy and Connersville-Oxford. Connersville-Indy is 48 miles with a drive time of 1:25 while the Connersville-Oxford is 25-miles with a drive time of :42 minutes.
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Unless you drive like my father, you can always cut the Mapquest drivetimes by 1/3. That is, of course, unless you are driving in Carmel. Then you have to double it.
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My guess is that it is between Miami Ohio and Butler. Miami is only 20-30 min from his home (i believe) or a very short distance - while Butler is still over an hour. Who knows how this will play out...
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Does anyone really think this will have any effect on his decision? I mean, really...it's not like the guy is going to have to walk
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I would think that Butler, Xavier, and Miami are all within acceptable distances. I agree, this is splitting hairs. He'll pick the place that he wants to wake up the next day after a bad game (paraphrasing someone else).
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Yes Matt, come to Butler. At Butler you can play with Hahn and play immediately.
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And Matt, one other thing...
We always beat Miami.
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=>Peegs heard down to X and Butler.
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That is a good sign the IU is out, but the non-mention of Miami is not good either.
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People seem to agree that he is favoring a "smaller" school feel thus leaving it down to Miami, X, and Butler.
It seems to me that if goes by immediate playing time, quality of business school, beauty of the campus, and proximity to home (all factors he has talked about), Miami should be the obvious choice  |
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=>Peegs noted it was only scuttlebutt he heard at an AAU tourney last Friday (Best of Midwest). He wrote that CC was "front and center" at the games as were coaches from Purdue, UD, and IU.
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| Matt Howard is a better defender one-on-one than he is playing in a zone defense, therefore Miami is the obvious choice! |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Howard To Announce Next Monday Per Butler Board |
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| mollautt wrote: | =>I didn't know Butler had a better system than Miami. Butler plays all that zone you know!
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Better system at beating Miami like a drum ...so they can always sell that. I think Butler has us in NCAA appearances over the last five years as well. Not sure of their last trip...but we all know Miami did not have any during that time.
There are distinct advantages to both schools...Miami probably wins out on the school 'factor' and Butler wins out on the basketball program factor (as of recent..which is what counts to a recruit).
The question is which does he favor more?
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Howard To Announce Next Monday Per Butler Board |
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| Skins wrote: | | Better system at beating Miami like a drum ...so they can always sell that. |
Hmmm? 53-52. Must have been a fairly small drum, maybe a small bongo? |
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Skins,
I would tell Matt that that is EXACTLY why we need him!! I am sure he would have boxed that guy out so they don't get the tip in that beats us at the buzzer
I would also say that if that game was at Millett we beat them.......
The factors Matt have stately publicaly are the ones I listed above. |
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Beating a drum refers to repetition...like Mike Cooper in a Library with free internet access.
Last I checked each time Miami has gone up against Butler...it has been a loss.
In fact, I think they have us 12 to 1 in the all-time series? So the drum is getting pretty big in a Butler fans opinion, I would imagine.
Junkie,
Whatever works...I would hope if this kid is THAT good Miami is selling immediate playing time and a superior overall college experience.
If not...bring on Clark Kellogg's son hopefully!
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Howard To Announce Next Monday Per Butler Board |
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| Skins wrote: | | mollautt wrote: | =>I didn't know Butler had a better system than Miami. Butler plays all that zone you know!
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Better system at beating Miami like a drum ...so they can always sell that. I think Butler has us in NCAA appearances over the last five years as well. Not sure of their last trip...but we all know Miami did not have any during that time.
There are distinct advantages to both schools...Miami probably wins out on the school 'factor' and Butler wins out on the basketball program factor (as of recent..which is what counts to a recruit).
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=>Skins obviously chose "5 years for a reason." Different story if go only on last 3 years (which is more relevant to a recruit). Actually, if go by average RPI, Miami has been better than Butler over the last 5 years as well.
Butler basketball vs. Miami over last 5 years (Regular Season Record/League; Final RPI)
2006
Butler: 19-12/11-5; 82
Miami: 18-10/14-4; 64
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Butler: 11-15/7-9; 241
Miami: 19-10/12-6; 39
2004
Butler: 15-14/8-8; 166
Miami: 18-11/12-6; 93
2003
Butler: 25-5/14-2; 35
Miami: 13-15/ 11-7; 148
2002
Butler: 25-5/12-4; 77
Miami: 13-18/9-9; 118
TOTALS (Last 5 years)
Butler: 91-51 (.64)/52-28 (.65); 120.2
Miami: 82-64 (.56)/58-32 (.64); 92.4
TOTALS (Last 3 years)
Butler: 45-41 (.52)/26-22 (.54); 163
Miami: 56-31 (.64)/ 38-16 (.70); 65.3
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| Bash Riprock wrote: | | Skins wrote: | | Better system at beating Miami like a drum ...so they can always sell that. |
Hmmm? 53-52. Must have been a fairly small drum, maybe a small bongo? |
=>Me thinks he is referring to the 9-1 edge they have on us alltime. 
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: Howard To Announce Next Monday Per Butler Board |
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| mollautt wrote: | | =>Skins obviously chose "5 years for a reason." |
Not really....other than I know that Butler has been to the NCAA in 2001 and 2003 (aka last five years). RPI...blah! It's about overall record (which Miami has done much better lately) and getting to the NCAA. Butler has been better over the five year period...this should be obvious as Miami has had a tough time getting to the NCAA and your always quick and complete analysis shows that Butler was pretty strong over that time. My point is let's not turn a blind eye here...Butler most certainly is selling the basketball advantage (however slight it is)...while I hope Miami is selling the overall experience (which I hope is great!). Don't know...never been to Butler.
That's just the way it is, however, from what I can tell, Howard may be looking for more than just the basketball experience and I would hope Miami can win out there.
Plus, as Junkie said...he can help Miami more!
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He can also watch D1 Football as well as top notch hockey!!
Won't find that at Butler........ |
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As expected Robbie Hummel a 6'7" utility player from Valpo HS just announced he committed to Purdue!
Plenty of playing time here Matt........... |
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| I am a Miami graduate and fan first and foremost but living in Indianapolis I have been a Butler season ticket holder in the past. (I left my regular ticket to sit in the Miami section at the NIT game.) In any event, I really believe that the overall college and campus experience is superior at Miami. The only advantage that Butler does have is Hinkle Fieldhouse. It's a great historic building. Miami and Butler are schools that are both strong academically and have had strong basketball programs over the last decade. I personally don't understand why Miami and Butler don't play regularly. As much as I love living in Indianapolis, I wouldn't have traded my four years at Miami for four years at Butler for anything. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: Howard To Announce Next Monday Per Butler Board |
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| mollautt wrote: | =>Skins obviously chose "5 years for a reason." Different story if go only on last 3 years (which is more relevant to a recruit). Actually, if go by average RPI, Miami has been better than Butler over the last 5 years as well.
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So are you saying that Skins selectively and/or arbitrarily chose the last five years to support an a priori position? If so I would have to agree that such a subjectively supported position is a violation of Aristotelian logic and one can go so far as saying it is a rift from the very foundations of Enlightenment thought. Simply being that during the Enlightenment there was a revival of interest in Aristotelian logic as the basis of rational inquiry and thought.
Of course it was during this revival period of Aristotle-based logic (although Aristotle's writings themselves were less often the basis of study) that the logical systems of the day were regarded as complete, which in turn no doubt stifled innovation in this area. Immanuel Kant thought that there was nothing else to invent after the work of Aristotle. This example illustrates the force of influence which Aristotle's works on logic had. Indeed, he had already become known by medieval Christian scholars as "The Philosopher", in large part due to the influence he had upon Thomas Aquinas. The dogmatism created by these scholars in favor of Aristotle did not disappear until the early modern period. Since the historical discoveries and logic innovations of the 19th century, particularly the discovery of Indian logic, George Boole's algebraic logic and the formulation of predicate logic, Aristotelian logic no longer has such prestige and is mainly studied out of historical interest. There is, however, a mostly pedagogical interest in term logic deriving from its close structure to the actual forms of reasoning encountered in natural language.
By Aristotelian logic, I mean category logic, no grays – only black and white. This false logic lies at the heart of authoritarianism, conflict, and a great deal of inadequate science, and even though Skins may have in and of himself dismissed Aristotelian logic by selectively or arbitrarily chosing the last five years for his thesis, his actions at the same time invokes a certain authoritarianism. Exhibit A =>
| Skins wrote: | | RPI...blah! It's about overall record (which Miami has done much better lately) and getting to the NCAA. Butler has been better over the five year period... |
Here Skins has selectively chosen how to define and measure success within an arbitrarily define period of time. Not only is this a priori, but smacks of authoritarianism and totalitarianism in that Skins gets to define the terms, terms that are not fully agreed upon by others (e.g., mollautt).
In other words, you are either for us or against us. He is "good" or he is "bad" . You did, or you didn’t. The problems caused by this kind of logic or thought are legion and accumulate. They include the mis-use of properties, as well as a failure to match theory to the real world or practice. Those who take a pragmatic/empirical approach, as mollautt has chosen, are less likely to be caught by the consequences of this theoretical paradigm.
One day, Manjushri stood outside the gate when Buddha called to him. "Manjushri, Manjushri, why do you not enter?" Manjushri replied, "I do not see a thing outside the gate. Why should I enter?" Where is the gate? Are you inside or outside the gate?
The above is a Buddhist koan. Such stories are designed to evoke enlightenment, that is, a realization that all words are grass. In other words all categories (e.g., the last five years) are arbitrary. Categories do not exist "out there". Once your mind is ruled by category, you are in a mind-trap. You are unable to think with clarity or independence. To think clearly, your mind must be still and clear of any words. Words are, by their usage and near natural reality, categories chosen by individuals. The words are not identical with the substance or real matter at which individuals point, when they use those words. Reality does not somehow magically split when we choose our usage of categories. Categories merely help us to communicate and to mediate our relationships with reality.
We likewise treat the words as separate items and imagine that, in turn, those words are capable of referencing separate items. Thus to control our world and to communicate about it, as a pragmatic act we section off reality in "the last five years, NCAA tourney invites, etc", in order to enable us to handle complex matters within our very limited understanding. We build up our understanding, first by accumulating rather minor bits of information about the world, and then by attempting to synthesise patterns from the cacophony of reality.
In short, at best Skins has selectively and arbitrarily defined success on his own terms, and at worst he may be a Nazi sympathizer. |
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You both have far too much time on your hands.
The only flaw to your logic is that my ‘position’ is only selective and arbitrary relative to Moll’s definition of why I chose the “Last five years.”
I realize he is a prophet to his followers…but can he really see the future?
It was in fact, this so-called ‘prophet’ who conveinently attributed more relevance to an arbitrary time-period (“three years”) within a selected time period (“last five years”) to define the success of the two programs, without providing evidence of why three years is more important than five. Only that Miami had achieved a better record, albeit against uncommon opponents. All while making these false claims without knowledge of why I selected “The Last Five Years.” The prophet Moll was unable to foresee that his claims were not the basis for my selection of this time period; however, interestingly enough his prophetic notion did in fact further support my claim.
A better approach may have been for this prophet to inquire as to why I had chosen this time frame. But again, why question a prophet you say? I say it is far more voodoo than prophecy.
At the time I chose this time-frame, I had no knowledge of the overall records of the two prospective teams, simply that Butler had greater success versus Miami than Miami did against Butler, and that Butler has had greater success achieving the pinnacle of the sport (NCAA tourney) than Miami.
This is hardly totalitarianism…and far more a universal theorem.
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A piece of advice I gave my daughter when she was down to her final two for an athletic scholarship, and which I would also offer to young Mr. Howard:
"All other things being nearly equal from an athletics point of view: if you blew out your knee during your freshman year, and your athletic career was over forever, at which school would you want to continue your education?"
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"All other things being nearly equal from an athletics point of view: if you blew out your knee during your freshman year, and your athletic career was over forever, at which school would you want to continue your education?" |
Great sentiment Crash..and I'm hoping this sage advice prevails!
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| Crashdad wrote: | A piece of advice I gave my daughter when she was down to her final two for an athletic scholarship, and which I would also offer to young Mr. Howard:
"All other things being nearly equal from an athletics point of view: if you blew out your knee during your freshman year, and your athletic career was over forever, at which school would you want to continue your education?" |
Excellant advice!! |
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I realize he is a prophet to his followers…but can he really see the future? |
The Honorable prophet mollautt predicted the coming of the Chosen One (i.e., Michael Bramos). I've also seen him pull a quarter out of MUfan's ear.
| Skins wrote: | | It was in fact, this so-called ‘prophet’ who conveinently attributed more relevance to an arbitrary time-period (“three years”) within a selected time period (“last five years”) to define the success of the two programs, without providing evidence of why three years is more important than five. |
Sorry, but the Honorable one provided criteria and parameters as to why a three year was more important or relavent than a five year period. I give you Exhibit A =>
| mollautt wrote: | | Different story if go only on last 3 years (which is more relevant to a recruit). |
In other words mollautt uses a parameter of the last three years because it is more recent and more relevant to recruit (read high school teenager) who may exhibit a more "what have you done lately" attitude. The Honorable one is most right here and wise in his understanding of the younger generation.
| Skins wrote: | | All while making these false claims without knowledge of why I selected “The Last Five Years.” The prophet Moll was unable to foresee that his claims were not the basis for my selection of this time period; however, interestingly enough his prophetic notion did in fact further support my claim. |
Actually you made no claims as to your selection criteria (i.e., the last five years). If the Honorable one is guilty of anything it is of being too presumptuous as to why you chose the last five years. And while we can all guess as to why you chose the last five years, we can say with little doubt that the selection was arbitrary as no criteria as to this time period's selection was given.
| Skins wrote: | | I had no knowledge of the overall records of the two prospective teams, simply that Butler had greater success versus Miami than Miami did against Butler, and that Butler has had greater success achieving the pinnacle of the sport (NCAA tourney) than Miami. |
Ah, but this is where your authoritarianism comes into play as you and you alone get to define success. In the true mold of Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini you are driven by a megalomaniac thought process that defines the categories on your terms for your intended purposes, yet you blame its shortcomings on self-described or preceived failures of those with only well-defined, yet honorable, criteria and intentions (e.g., mollautt)
| Skins wrote: | | This is hardly totalitarianism…and far more a universal theorem. |
and so it is, that those who speak out are called traitors, while those who tolerate totalitarianism and fascism are called patriots. |
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=>Story on Hummel's verbal to Purdue from Gold & Black Illustrated which mentions Howard:
http://purdue.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=561970
| Quote: | At the same time, Valparaiso High School and SYF teammate Scott Martin is receiving the full-court press from Purdue, and ranks the Boilermakers among his leaders. Martin has talked about the appeal of possibly playing with Hummel in college, though at the same time has never identified it as any sort of deal-breaker in his own process. After attending Hummel's announcement, Martin was non-commital about the impact Hummel's commitment would have on him.
With three commitments in hand and only one to give, Painter has offers out to Martin and forward Matt Howard, making for an apparent situation where whichever one would be willing to commit first would get the spot. |
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